If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

[Renen]

I love how the purists call people who use mods "bad". They essentially want a game where content is easy to the point where things are merely tank and spank fights.

If you give the community an option, they will use it to help improve their performance. Is it needed? Nope. Will it help? most definitely. You can be the purist who runs completely with no addons or customization. If you're still able to get through content, then good for you. Although I highly doubt that many of the "purists" are on the bleeding edge of content.

*Edit* Trust me, there are thousands of people in WoW and the like who use mods and still fail on a regular basis. They aren't an instant win button

I want a game that is challenging, but one that doesnt require the use of addons.
Granted, maybe it'll help casuals?
Doing The raven nevermore now, and Im the last to die, being a WHM... And not because i spam heal myself

[Wolfie]

I want a game that is challenging, but one that doesnt require the use of addons.
Granted, maybe it'll help casuals?
Doing The raven nevermore now, and Im the last to die, being a WHM... And not because i spam heal myself

If you want a game that is 'difficult' by default, but addons make it easier for 'casuals', how do you stop everyone else from trivializing the content by getting addons?

[Deakka]

If you want a game that is 'difficult' by default, but addons make it easier for 'casuals', how do you stop everyone else from trivializing the content by getting addons?

Trust me, addons don't make it any easier for casuals and raiding. You can have a HUGE warning with sirens and gigantic text flying at you that says move, and the bad player will still panic if he doesn't know the strategy. Much like a bad "purist" will still fail to move when he fails to see the built in game warnings.

Linking casuals to addons is perhaps one of the more idiotic sentiments that the MMO community has laughed off. First off, the bleeding edge uses addons heavily not only for warnings, but for quality of life improvements. Secondly, most "purists" rarely get to high end content, they simply stand around the hub of their game (SW/Org for WoW, Ul'dah for FFXIV) and complain about "casuals" getting their addon blessed loot. Finally, the argument for and against addons is just another weapon for people to use in order to make themselves feel superior (on both sides of the argument). In other words, making the argument against addons "BECAUSE CASUALZ!" is merely just stoking the fires of your own ego.

[Wolfie]

Trust me, addons don't make it any easier for casuals and raiding. You can have a HUGE warning with sirens and gigantic text flying at you that says move, and the bad player will still panic if he doesn't know the strategy. Much like a bad "purist" will still fail to move when he fails to see the built in game warnings.

Linking casuals to addons is perhaps one of the more idiotic sentiments that the MMO community has laughed off. First off, the bleeding edge uses addons heavily not only for warnings, but for quality of life improvements. Secondly, most "purists" rarely get to high end content, they simply stand around the hub of their game (SW/Org for WoW, Ul'dah for FFXIV) and complain about "casuals" getting their addon blessed loot. Finally, the argument for and against addons is just another weapon for people to use in order to make themselves feel superior (on both sides of the argument). In other words, making the argument against addons "BECAUSE CASUALZ!" is merely just stoking the fires of your own ego.

Oh I know it's not a valid argument. It's just something that is thrown around here, along with immersion, to dismiss any improvements to the MMO genre in the last 8+ years. Addons making things "easy mode" or being "exploits" are arguments coming from people who have no qualms about stacking a single class (BLM or ARC) to actually literally cheese their way through a poorly balanced encounter.

[Deakka]

I want a game that is challenging, but one that doesnt require the use of addons.
Granted, maybe it'll help casuals?
Doing The raven nevermore now, and Im the last to die, being a WHM... And not because i spam heal myself

Addons are never required. If they are, the developer usually works on slowly implementing their own version into the native UI (think various raid frames and buff bars in WoW). If you want to give yourself a badge of honor for using no player made addons, feel free to do so. Just realize people are laughing at your sense of superiority (if you lord it over people), not with it.

[Priya]

and certainly you should never read guides or watch videos before trying a fight.

inb4 "Guides ruin my immersion. I want to learn by doing."

Memories~.

You read my mind

You can be the purist who runs completely with no addons or customization. If you're still able to get through content, then good for you.

They aren't an instant win button

This. If you can perform your role at a level your LS finds acceptable without addons, you're free to not use them.

Edit: WHAT? HOW DID A FUSIONAL POST GET QUOTED IN HERE?!?! MY BRAIN (or heart) JACKED MY KEYBOARD!