Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Arcell]

So are you stating that if we had 2 games otherwise absolutely identical, but one of them had amazing graphics and animation, and the other one had crappy outdated textures and stiff animation, they would be 2 completely different games?

Well, i wouldn't go that far, but thanks for proving my point.

Graphics and animation are a factor. Even this thread is proof of this. How much of a factor? Well, that's subjective.

First off, why would such a situation ever actually exist? Why release one version of a game with shitty animations and then release the exact same game at the same time with better animations? That's like saying, well if they released two games and one of them had clunky gameplay and the other didn't but they both had the same graphics and animations, the one with the better gameplay would do better which means that gameplay is a factor.

To answer the question, yes the one with superior graphics would be considered better. It's a stupid question to begin with though. So yes, it is a factor. No one ever said it was never at all a factor in any way. It's simply not the sole factor, nothing is. Lack of smooth animations isn't going to make a good game bad. The inclusion of the most amazing animations in the world does not make a bad game good.

Is this a factor that greatly detracts from the game as a whole? Like you said it's subjective but I would say no. I personally don't think this thread needed to be 1000+ posts. It's not that big of an issue from where I'm standing. All of the other things they've fixed and improved far outweighs this in my opinion.

It's not even like every single animation in the game has seen a downgrade or removal. There's just a shorter stop when you stop running.

[Starlord]

both nemy and starlord make fine points but honestly i could care less what you guys think about each other, by all means, hate each other but dont post about it here and pontentialy get this thread closed, we're here for the animation discussion and the hope that it will get put back in the game, at least most of us are
im not tying to be rude to either of you but every other post im thinking "any minute now..."

I have said before, Nemy has made Excellent points for sure, but the only think I "despise" is that she just goes out and says to nearly every single post that's against her ( she doesn't miss a beat either -.-) and Makes Pictures/Memes long posts on how someone is wrong.. and if it stretches out too long She'll have this Meme with a White horse with a Knight basically saying this person is white knighting because he/she doesn't agree with me.

I have nothing against her points as she makes excellent points about why animations shouldn't be downgraded, but don't shoot down other people opinions because they too will help the game become a better one in the long run.

However I will apologize for this one thing only: that she didn't "Actually Say" Your an Idiot etc etc, but she sure as hell makes people "feel" that way. So I am sorry for accusing you for saying such things, but a piece of advice though, please accept other people's opinions with open arms, I'm not asking you to agree with them, but shooting them down like their opinions don't matter, Is "low" to me.

[Rokien]

I have said before, Nemy has made Excellent points for sure, but the only think I "despise" is that she just goes out and says to nearly every single post that's against her ( she doesn't miss a beat either -.-) and Makes Pictures/Memes long posts on how someone is wrong.. and if it stretches out too long She'll have this Meme with a White horse with a Knight basically saying this person is white knighting because he/she doesn't agree with me.

I have nothing against her points as she makes excellent points about why animations shouldn't be downgraded, but don't shoot down other people opinions because they too will help the game become a better one in the long run.

However I will apologize for this one thing only: that she didn't "Actually Say" Your an Idiot etc etc, but she sure as hell makes people "feel" that way. So I am sorry for accusing you for saying such things, but a piece of advice though, please accept other people's opinions with open arms, I'm not asking you to agree with them, but shooting them down like their opinions don't matter, Is "low" to me.

Thing is star, people shouldn't accept a downgrade.

[SwordCoheir]

She was clearly talking about ARR... She would have said otherwise. Like "We will bring them back for 2.0, they are still being worked on"

I'll bite, but I still think people are taking some of the dev posts a little out of context, since the Limit Break Trailer has shown some improvements on animation and fluidity since the Gamescom footage.

[Rokien]

I'll bite, but I still think people are taking some of the dev posts a little out of context, since the Limit Break Trailer has shown some improvements on animation and fluidity since the Gamescom footage.

Sorry, guess I just have high standards for this game.

[Orophin]

It's not even like every single animation in the game has seen a downgrade or removal. There's just a shorter stop when you stop running.

I just don't care for the backpedaling when not locked on personally. I liked that you could hit the back key and your char would turn around and move in that direction. Without seeing open beta footage though, I'd say nothing is in stone yet.

[Nikita]

Not bashing you Nikita, but you know that's ironically been the OP's entire defense for the first 75% of the thread. Basing it off of gameplay footage of a game that isn't complete yet. It's the same premise basing info on a game that hadn't had any information out about till this was posted.

I realize it was ironic, that is why I made it a point. Notice that I hadn't made a single post bashing FFXIV? I was merely defending GW2 since it is a really great game and deserves no hate.

[Nemy]

Only using the forum to complain voice concern about a minor thing doesn't really prove to me that you're "insanely interested." It just makes you sound like this isn't good enough to live up to the insanely high standards of the almighty Nemy Oinos, since you didn't bother to post on this forum at all until this one thing.

Minor issue for you =/= Minor issue for everyone.

You're trying to present the situation, like its just me, complaining about my fetish all these days. This is not the case. I'm not alone in this. Look around you.

Also, in your last 2 posts, you dropped the very relevant subject that we were talking about, to direct the discussion into a personal attack against me. It is also funny and ironic, to accuse me of complaining about a minor issue not for the future of this game and this community, but just to satisfy a personal need of showing that 2.0 isn't good enough to live up to the insanely high standards of the almighty Nemy Oinos, while at the same time, this personal attack, serves nothing other than satisfying your own personal need to ridicule and belittle my intentions in this forum.

Discussing the factor of graphics / animation = relevant.

Attacking my intentions and my relation with the game and forums = irrelevant.

So i'm not going to talk about me. I'm just going to ask you a question regarding all those, that value animation in this thread : Do you think we would post and discuss in this thread daily, if we didn't care about the future of the game?

[SwordCoheir]

Sorry, guess I just have high standards for this game.

That's fine, we all kind of do, but I think some have unreasonably high expectations expecting a game that will surpass all other MMO's, the end all Blizzard killer, etc, etc. I'm thinking more along the lines that FFXIV will be different, it will have the basic features every MMO has like a killer UI, solid interface and gameplay, A MAIL SYSTEM, and as much as I would love FFXIV to be a WoW killer people shouldn't forget even if 1.0 gameplay wasn't broken at the start it would still be below most MMO standards from lack of basic features.

[KiriA500]

my fetish