Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Ludicrous]

I'm not at all a huge forum poster, but seeing how this thread has developed and the live demo we saw yesterday I feel the need to chime in.

The animations are currently unacceptable. There is no reason why we can't have nice animations. If the dev team is so concerned about them getting in the way of combat the solution is very simple.

Allow abilities to clip animations.

Your welcome SE. Oh and welcome to the year 2012. The game can look good the way it deserves and you've got your combat response. I believe both are critical in an MMO today. Especially one that must remove the stain of it's history like this one must.

This game was a huge embarrasing failure and everyone in the world knew it. Despite that we continue to play but were not enough. You need to win the hearts and minds of 10 times as many poeple.

Restore the proper animations and allow them to be clipped.

Also the basic character movement is atrocious. Look.... I'll play this game no matter what. But for the masses who only remember the epic failure this game was..... this game has to be a grand slam, far beyond the rest.

Make this happen SE. We've all heard "oh it's only alpha"/"oh it's only beta" too many times before.

It's now or never

[TypeZ]

I'm not at all a huge forum poster, but seeing how this thread has developed and the live demo we saw yesterday I feel the need to chime in.

The animations are currently unacceptable. There is no reason why we can't have nice animations. If the dev team is so concerned about them getting in the way of combat the solution is very simple.

Allow abilities to clip animations.

Your welcome SE. Oh and welcome to the year 2012. The game can look good the way it deserves and you've got your combat response. I believe both are critical in an MMO today. Especially one that must remove the stain of it's history like this one must.

This game was a huge embarrasing failure and everyone in the world knew it. Despite that we continue to play but were not enough. You need to win the hearts and minds of 10 times as many poeple.

Restore the proper animations and allow them to be clipped.

Also the basic character movement is atrocious. Look.... I'll play this game no matter what. But for the masses who only remember the epic failure this game was..... this game has to be a grand slam, far beyond the rest.

Make this happen SE. We've all heard "oh it's only alpha"/"oh it's only beta" too many times before.

It's now or never

Make what happen?
First of all, i don't see a better gameplay than the current version. All i see is a really awkward character almost one shooting everything.
Secondly, they shouldn't have to choose one or the other. This animation looks worse than most current generation mmos.
If people wanted just good "gameplay" they should just stick with WoW or FFXI that has a 10 year - polished gameplay. So why would they get rid of something they do really good like animations to mimic WoW's gameplay? They already copy the quest lvling from WoW. Don't be blinded by the hype behind 2.0. This game is in some serious trouble, Just look at the latest live letter and check out the game play of the archer/mage/lancer. look at how they hold the weapon... No creativity at all. This game shouldn't be call "Final Fantasy" Rupture should be the correct name. I won't event start on the gameplay....

[Ludicrous]

This is sort of what I mean. There is no excuse for the way this looks. We are late enough in the dev cycle that we can assume more or less this is what they plan to launch with. Anyone with 2 eyes can see they need to improve this considerably, even if it means delaying the game.

[Gramul]

Look at the majority of rep posts: over 90% of them are translations of posts from JP reps which are then stuck into threads that fit the topic.

The connection between non-JP players and devs is almost non-existent. Not that it's our reps fault...

Well, we do have a translator who's doing most of the work.

[Nemy]

I'm not at all a huge forum poster, but seeing how this thread has developed and the live demo we saw yesterday I feel the need to chime in.

The animations are currently unacceptable. There is no reason why we can't have nice animations. If the dev team is so concerned about them getting in the way of combat the solution is very simple.

Allow abilities to clip animations.

Your welcome SE. Oh and welcome to the year 2012. The game can look good the way it deserves and you've got your combat response. I believe both are critical in an MMO today. Especially one that must remove the stain of it's history like this one must.

This game was a huge embarrasing failure and everyone in the world knew it. Despite that we continue to play but were not enough. You need to win the hearts and minds of 10 times as many poeple.

Restore the proper animations and allow them to be clipped.

Also the basic character movement is atrocious. Look.... I'll play this game no matter what. But for the masses who only remember the epic failure this game was..... this game has to be a grand slam, far beyond the rest.

Make this happen SE. We've all heard "oh it's only alpha"/"oh it's only beta" too many times before.

It's now or never

I generally agree, apart from 2 parts.

The animation issue is not that simple. They couldn't just allow abilities to overwrite the current animation and be done with it. The proof is simply the fact that they haven't done it. They're not stupid. Maybe the problem was RAM limitations, i don't know. I do know though, that no matter what the problem is, releasing the game with such animations (even if they "polish" them) is, like you said unacceptable, for a lot of people, including me.

Like i said before in this thread (and i was completely ignored by someone) : It makes no sense to degrade your strong point, that is immersion, (design/animation) in your attempt to mimic someone else's gameplay. MMO gameplay follows a similar pattern in every game. What would draw people into FFXIV? Yet another similar gameplay?

What would make sense, would be keeping the quality of their strong point intact as a priority, and make the gameplay as accessible as possible, while adding tons of content.

The other thing i disagree with, is to declare that you will play the game no matter what. Even if that's true, i wouldn't want them to think that their current fan base are just blind followers that will play, and pay whatever they shove down their throats.

Personally, if the game was released at the state that i see in those videos, even after "polishing" the animation, i wouldn't pay, or play it. That's what unacceptable means anyway.

[Ludicrous]

I generally agree, apart from 2 parts.

The animation issue is not that simple. They couldn't just allow abilities to overwrite the current animation and be done with it. The proof is simply the fact that they haven't done it. They're not stupid. Maybe the problem was RAM limitations, i don't know. I do know though, that no matter what the problem is, releasing the game with such animations (even if they "polish" them) is, like you said unacceptable, for a lot of people, including me.

Like i said before in this thread (and i was completely ignored by someone) : It makes no sense to degrade your strong point, that is immersion, (design/animation) in your attempt to mimic someone else's gameplay. MMO gameplay follows a similar pattern in every game. What would draw people into FFXIV? Yet another similar gameplay?

What would make sense, would be keeping the quality of their strong point intact as a priority, and make the gameplay as accessible as possible, while adding tons of content.

The other thing i disagree is to declare that you will play the game no matter what. Even if that's true, i wouldn't want them to think that their current fan base are just blind followers that will play, and pay whatever they shove down their throats.

Personally, if the game was released at the state that i see in those videos, even after "polishing" the animation, i wouldn't pay, or play it. That's what unacceptable means anyway.

By unacceptable I really meant to most people SE wants to buy the game.

I realize they aren't stupid, but it behooves me to question why they haven't done it. Is it the PS3? who knows. They could keep the current game's animations, remove a few frames from them (looks like they did that, looking at chaos thrust from some recent vids), and perhaps speed them up a bit or what have you.

But lets face it, a 3s global cooldown is a long ass time (which I think is too long, but that is another can of worms for a different discussion). Especially, by today's MMO standards. Now when I say "today's MMO standards" I'm not asking them to change their plans for the gameplay.

This is about animations is it not? You and I agree that they are unacceptable.

So then why aren't they clipping the animations?

I'm talking battle as well as movement animations(not emotes obviously). You could easily have the start running/stop running animations they use in the current game now, and then while pressing a WS button it could just immediately at that very moment run the animation for that weaponskill (clipping the start/stop character movement animation). Or have one battle animation clip another for instance? Like activating a weaponskill in the middle of an auto attack animation or vice versa? This is, as far as I know, pretty basic from what I've seen of the competition this game has.

I'm no programmer or computer animation expert, but pretty all of the "big players" (without knowing what else to call them) in the MMO scene today are able to do this. Why can't SE?

We could have both! Quality animations AND good gameplay! The community rep post you quote in the OP baffles me. Why the F did the good animations have to go? They don't give good enough reasons, and the evidence is before us.

These animations aren't good enough SE!

Barring reasons beyond my comprehension why isn't animation clipping in?

[Pandastirfry]

okay, yet another thing that's been brought up a million times that's starting to bug me...

"Can't the new animation just 'clip in', 'overwrite', 'interrupt' the previous aniumation. Then we get the best of both worlds"

think this through, actually imagine what it would look like, IT WOULD LOOK EVEN WORSE, running animations being cut off, casting animation being stopped half way through with charters snapping to completely unrelated motions... you thinking you're howling about animations now, the braying and neighing of barnyard animals that would follow a video with the "just have new animations cut off other ones" would dwarf this.

[Gramul]

okay, yet another thing that's been brought up a million times that's starting to bug me...

"Can't the new animation just 'clip in', 'overwrite', 'interrupt' the previous aniumation. Then we get the best of both worlds"

think this through, actually imagine what it would look like, IT WOULD LOOK EVEN WORSE, running animations being cut off, casting animation being stopped half way through with charters snapping to completely unrelated motions... you thinking you're howling about animations now, the braying and neighing of barnyard animals that would follow a video with the "just have new animations cut off other ones" would dwarf this.

Make it toggle.
Then I could have it and you wouldn't have to see it.

[Nemy]

So then why aren't they clipping the animations?

I'm talking battle as well as movement animations(not emotes obviously). You could easily have the start running/stop running animations they use in the current game now, and then while pressing a WS button it could just immediately at that very moment run the animation for that weaponskill (clipping the start/stop character movement animation). Or have one battle animation clip another for instance? Like activating a weaponskill in the middle of an auto attack animation or vice versa? This is, as far as I know, pretty basic from what I've seen of the competition this game has.

I'm no programmer or computer animation expert, but pretty all of the "big players" (without knowing what else to call them) in the MMO scene today are able to do this. Why can't SE?

We could have both! Quality animations AND good gameplay! The community rep post you quote in the OP baffles me. Why the F did the good animations have to go? They don't give good enough reasons, and the evidence is before us.

These animations aren't good enough SE!

Barring reasons beyond my comprehension why isn't animation clipping in?

I really... can't know. And i was disappointed by the fact that they didn't even address the issue, at least to let us know what led them to such a bold solution.

And yeah i refuse to believe that there is a dilemma between good gameplay and quality animations.

All we can do is not forget about the issue and keep raising awareness till they listen. (if they ever do)

[Ludicrous]

okay, yet another thing that's been brought up a million times that's starting to bug me...

"Can't the new animation just 'clip in', 'overwrite', 'interrupt' the previous aniumation. Then we get the best of both worlds"

think this through, actually imagine what it would look like, IT WOULD LOOK EVEN WORSE, running animations being cut off, casting animation being stopped half way through with charters snapping to completely unrelated motions... you thinking you're howling about animations now, the braying and neighing of barnyard animals that would follow a video with the "just have new animations cut off other ones" would dwarf this.

Successful MMO market results would disagree with you. Responsive gameplay is king and was one of the biggest reasons cited for the huge embarrasing failure that was ffxiv 1.0 launch. But you can still have both! The good animations + responsive gameplay