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  1. #311
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatdawg View Post
    For war (multiple materia melds withstanding) dl is pretty much best in slot
    How is:

    Attack Power : +20, Vit : +10, Str : +15, Evasion : -10, Healing Magic Potency : -20

    better than:

    Str : +10, Dex : +15, Crit Rate : +20, Crit Attack Power : +20

    ???

    - The +10 VIT you can get elsewhere with Melds, if you dont sit at Cap allready.
    - Crit Attack Power > Atk ( more hp income )
    - 5 less STR on Tricorne, also can be obtained with a meld from other Gear, if not at Cap.
    - DEX is acc and block-rate ( idc about the proc-rate, but thats a fact and war needs block-rate ).
    - Crit +20 > - 10 eva, healing magic -20 ( more crit hit, more hp from crit attacks )

    Not only that it is in fact better for war-DD, the tricorne dont have the - stats, which are actually bad for a war-tank.. well eva is it.

    So you are saying you will take the DL-Helm over Tricorne because of the +10 VIT while you dont care about other stats, which are actually a disadvantage compared to tricorne for WAR-Tank?

    The Tricorne is a really Decent Head-Piece and if you dont have double/triple melded Stuff i would take it over DL-Helm.
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    Last edited by Nero; 09-14-2012 at 03:12 AM.

  2. #312
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
    How is:

    Attack Power : +20, Vit : +10, Str : +15, Evasion : -10, Healing Magic Potency : -20

    better than:

    Str : +10, Dex : +15, Crit Rate : +20, Crit Attack Power : +20

    ???

    - The +10 VIT you can get elsewhere with Melds, if you dont sit at Cap allready.
    - Crit Attack Power > Atk ( more hp income )
    - 5 less STR on Tricorne, also can be obtained with a meld from other Gear, if not at Cap.
    - DEX is acc and block-rate ( idc about the proc-rate, but thats a fact and war needs block-rate ).
    - Crit +20 > - 10 eva, healing magic -20 ( more crit hit, more hp from crit attacks )

    Not only that it is in fact better for war-DD, the tricorne dont have the - stats, which are actually bad for a war-tank.. well eva is it.

    So you are saying you will take the DL-Helm over Tricorne because of the +10 VIT while you dont care about other stats, which are actually a disadvantage compared to tricorne for WAR-Tank?

    The Tricorne is a really Decent Head-Piece and if you dont have double/triple melded Stuff i would take it over DL-Helm.
    Crit attack power =/= Attack power

    Also, if you use a tricorne in a tanking warrior position which is what half of your argument is based on then you have got to be either high or have no idea how to build a proper tank setup. As far as the accuracy thing goes, if 5 extra accuracy is going to make or break your capability to tank then you need to 1 get some electrum rings +1 and 2 use some accuracy food because thats just plain bad.
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  3. #313
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    Majidah Sihaam
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    best hat available for any bard who doesn't want to deal with DL drop rates, and I'm counting paragon's crown.

    In any case, I don't think anyone opened forum to discuss whether or not they are the best hats ever. Just that a lot of people wanted them, camped them every raid, and still don't have both. So yeah, we want more raids.
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  4. #314
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    Quote Originally Posted by Req View Post
    Crit attack power =/= Attack power

    Also, if you use a tricorne in a tanking warrior position which is what half of your argument is based on then you have got to be either high or have no idea how to build a proper tank setup. As far as the accuracy thing goes, if 5 extra accuracy is going to make or break your capability to tank then you need to 1 get some electrum rings +1 and 2 use some accuracy food because thats just plain bad.
    Ummm.. go and read again what i posted. You didnt even understand half of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero View Post
    How is:

    Attack Power : +20, Vit : +10, Str : +15, Evasion : -10, Healing Magic Potency : -20

    better than:

    Str : +10, Dex : +15, Crit Rate : +20, Crit Attack Power : +20

    ???

    - The +10 VIT you can get elsewhere with Melds, if you dont sit at Cap allready.
    - Crit Attack Power > Atk ( more hp income )
    - 5 less STR on Tricorne, also can be obtained with a meld from other Gear, if not at Cap.
    - DEX is acc and block-rate ( idc about the proc-rate, but thats a fact and war needs block-rate ).
    - Crit +20 > - 10 eva, healing magic -20 ( more crit hit, more hp from crit attacks )

    Not only that it is in fact better for war-DD, the tricorne dont have the - stats, which are actually bad for a war-tank.. well eva is it.

    So you are saying you will take the DL-Helm over Tricorne because of the +10 VIT while you dont care about other stats, which are actually a disadvantage compared to tricorne for WAR-Tank?

    The Tricorne is a really Decent Head-Piece and if you dont have double/triple melded Stuff i would take it over DL-Helm.
    Are you comparing two dd hats for what a tanking war needs? I would go with Militia Armet if you want to tank, but regardless you dismiss 10 vit and 5 str and say to get it else where and then point out the acc loss in 15 dex when you can get that elsewhere..

    I was unaware War needs block rate... Are you sure you are not confusing this with parry?
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  6. #316
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatdawg View Post
    Are you comparing two dd hats for what a tanking war needs? I would go with Militia Armet if you want to tank, but regardless you dismiss 10 vit and 5 str and say to get it else where and then point out the acc loss in 15 dex when you can get that elsewhere..
    Sure thats what im saying.. you can get the Stuff elsewhere. I would prefer having those STR/VIT from triple pants instead of losing the crit rate/crit atk.. and im totally against -stats. For some pieces its hard to avoid it, if you want to have best piece in slot. But here again.. i think tricorne is really decent and personally i would take it over DL-helm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meatdawg View Post
    I was unaware War needs block rate... Are you sure you are not confusing this with parry?
    Oh you got me there.. ! my fault.. yeah mixed it, happens sometimes while not playing on english client currently. But yeah.. mixed it with parry.
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    Last edited by Nero; 09-14-2012 at 03:43 AM.

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    ...well now that that's over.



    EVENT IS UP - MASAMUNE
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    Last edited by Sounsyy; 09-14-2012 at 05:53 AM.

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    it's up right now on sargatanas been killing em for an couple of hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sounsyy View Post
    ...well now that that's over.



    EVENT IS UP - MASAMUNE
    Oh man, I'm missing it. I hope it's still up when I get home from work =/
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    Do you need to flag this anywhere or just show up and kill them?
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