Yoshi P. posts today (Translation please)

[Grimm]

Unfair? It's your choice to play a game that's developed by a Japanese team. It's not doctor's orders.
So they should withold information in their native language because someone that thinks videogames should always revolve around the western fanbase will feel neglected if he has to wait for the morning after to get a translation?
In 99% of the cases it's non-english speakers that have to wait for a translation. This time around is our turn to wait. Seems plenty fair to me.

Yes but it was SE's choice to have world wide server's updated all at the same time. If they can't address JP, NA, EU all at the same time region lock the game like Korean games simple as that. It's fair to ask to be updated all at the same time the game is global after all and SE said they think that is a strong point of the community. So they really should update us all at once not just English and Japanese but French and German as well.

[Abriael]

Yes but it was SE's choice to have world wide server's updated all at the same time. If they can't address JP, NA, EU all at the same time region lock the game like Korean games simple as that. It's fair to ask to be updated all at the same time the game is global after all and SE said they think that is a strong point of the community. So they really should update us all at once not just English and Japanese but French and German as well.

There's no rule anywhere that states that they need to post information for every language at the same time, nor they ever promised that. Especially when waiting for the day after is *nowhere* near to being a real problem.

The sense of false entitlement some gamers have nowadays is really staggering...

It's an international product, with international customers and an international forum, so if there's really something to argue is that the first lenguage in wich the news should be written is english.

The "news" are on the lodestone. This is a discussion forum, with a developer posting *on his own time* (IE: 2 AM) responding to a thread in his own native language. That's all there's to it, and there's nothing wrong with it.

[Alcide]

The "news" are on the lodestone. This is a discussion forum, with a developer posting *on his own time* (IE: 2 AM) responding to a thread in his own native language. That's all there's to it, and there's nothing wrong with it.

To me everything that gives more information about the state of the game can be called "news".

If a developer posts something in his own language, in his own native forum it is unfair, I don't give a damn if it was 2 AM in Japan, actually that's another reasone to wait for the translation.
They asked us for feedback and criticism and then the first language the news are released is Japanese (wich isn't actually the most spread language in the world) it's just stupid.

[Nephera]

To me everything that gives more information about the state of the game can be called "news".

If a developer posts something in his own language, in his own native forum it is unfair, I don't give a damn if it was 2 AM in Japan, actually that's another reasone to wait for the translation.
They asked us for feedback and criticism and then the first language the news are released is Japanese (wich isn't actually the most spread language in the world) it's just stupid.

uh..Most developers do that if you look at other mmo forums. Dont make them put us back in the dark.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

To me everything that gives more information about the state of the game can be called "news".

If a developer posts something in his own language, in his own native forum it is unfair, I don't give a damn if it was 2 AM in Japan, actually that's another reasone to wait for the translation.
They asked us for feedback and criticism and then the first language the news are released is Japanese (wich isn't actually the most spread language in the world) it's just stupid.

How is it unfair, because we don't get it first? It's not like we're not going to get a translation at all. Since you learned English how about learning Japanese? That way you can talk to the Devs yourself.

[LuxLex]

Yes but it was SE's choice to have world wide server's updated all at the same time. If they can't address JP, NA, EU all at the same time region lock the game like Korean games simple as that. It's fair to ask to be updated all at the same time the game is global after all and SE said they think that is a strong point of the community. So they really should update us all at once not just English and Japanese but French and German as well.

Exactly. It just seems unprofessional to give information to one part of the playerbase while restricting it for others. And for those who say "we're quicker with translation anyway" I haven't seen any evidence of that - in fact most of the player translations I have seen have been pretty wrong - and caused a lot of confusion.

It would be way more even-handed for yoshi to write the post - send it to the translators and then post it for all languages at the same time.

Living in a bilingual country - I just expect that kind of equality when dealing with multi-lingual situations. For those who say "it's a Japanese game blah blah blah" then would you also support if they patched things in Japanese first and waited a few days before doing other language translations? No?

What's the difference?

If you're going to have forums - treat all supported languages equally. It isn't actually a lot to ask. They are going to translate it anyway - why should JP readers get the news before we do?

[Godai]

if you notice the number of views the Letter from the Producer has on the Japanese Forums it's about double of the English. It may be they want to communicate to the most players by posting there first.

[Abriael]

Exactly. It just seems unprofessional to give information to one part of the playerbase while restricting it for others.

They're not "restricting" the information to anyone. The information is there for anyone to be read. It takes a click to switch to the Japanese dev tracker. It's not their fault if you can't read Japanese or if you don't have the patience to wait for office hours for that information to be translated.

Living in a bilingual country - I just expect that kind of equality when dealing with multi-lingual situations. For those who say "it's a Japanese game blah blah blah" then would you also support if they patched things in Japanese first and waited a few days before doing other language translations? No?

And you should be thankful that we get actual updates to the game in all languages at the same time, as the MMORPG market is and has always been full of cases in which updates come later for languages different than the primary one.
There's a LOT of difference between actual game updates (to which you're entitled as a paying customer, since they're part of the product) and posts on a forum, to which, sorry to say, no rule or contract anywhere entitles you.

Maybe living in a bilingual country (thing that slows down bureucracy a TON, and is extremely costly to administer by the way) led you to take for granted some things that simply shouldn't be. Square Enix is a game developer, not a country.

To me everything that gives more information about the state of the game can be called "news".

What it is to you is rather marginal. You shouldn't demand people to always work on your personal expectations. It's not gonna happen anyway.

If a developer posts something in his own language, in his own native forum it is unfair, I don't give a damn if it was 2 AM in Japan

Has it ever occurred to you that he might be posting at that time because during the day he's busy working on the game and actually doing his job?

actually that's another reasone to wait for the translation.
They asked us for feedback and criticism and then the first language the news are released is Japanese (wich isn't actually the most spread language in the world) it's just stupid.

You can give feedback and criticism the day after. It's that simple.

[Alcide]

They're not "restricting" the information to anyone. The information is there for anyone to be read. It takes a click to switch to the Japanese dev tracker. It's not their fault if you can't read Japanese or if you don't have the patience to wait for office hours for that information to be translated.

It's their fault cause they'rr working on an international project yet they can't speak English.

[Abriael]

It's their fault cause they'rr working on an international project yet they can't speak English.

So anyone that doesn't speak proper english shouldn't dare developing games for an international market?
Just lol.

Sorry mate. Not all games revolve around the western fanbase.
Thank goodness some japanese developers still bring some diversity to this overly stagnant market.