Seems like alot of people want this game to become Free 2 Play. >.>

[Delsus]

I honestly don't think the people complaining about free to play know anything about it... let alone ever tried it. When people make such grand generalizations like "F2P always means bad graphics" and "all F2P becomes Play 2 Win" you know these people are talking thru their back sides.

Of course I have never played STO, I have never seen their 20 euro ships, which are the best, oh and new ones are being released all the time, the only way that would be cheaper than FFXIV would mean releasing new ships no more often than every 3 months. Then lets no forget the lock boxes, keys for STO cost about 10 euros for 10, you can need over 100 to get the exclusive items from them if you are unlucky.

Large exp boost almost 9 euros

Lets not forget the fact we have 2 characters one FED one klingon, and the ships can only be used with their respective faction, so a new klingon and FED escourt comes out, that's about 40 euros straight up, then 2 months later 2 more come, better thats another 40 euros 80 euros in 2 months is really cheaper than FFXIV.

You pay more to be effective at F2P games than subscription there's the proof.

Here is the link to the c-store for STO for you to ponder on. http://sto.perfectworld.com/cstore

And the prices for perfect world Zen:

€45.00 5,000 + 300
€27.00 3,000
€18.00 2,000
€9.00 1,000
€4.50 500

(They only do Zen in USD and EUR thats why I haven't used GBP)

[Ingolf]

Of course I have never played STO, I have never seen their 20 euro ships, which are the best, oh and new ones are being released all the time, the only way that would be cheaper than FFXIV would mean releasing new ships no more often than every 3 months. Then lets no forget the lock boxes, keys for STO cost about 10 euros for 10, you can need over 100 to get the exclusive items from them if you are unlucky.

Large exp boost almost 9 euros

Lets not forget the fact we have 2 characters one FED one klingon, and the ships can only be used with their respective faction, so a new klingon and FED escourt comes out, that's about 40 euros straight up, then 2 months later 2 more come, better thats another 40 euros 80 euros in 2 months is really cheaper than FFXIV.

You pay more to be effective at F2P games than subscription there's the proof.

Here is the link to the c-store for STO for you to ponder on. http://sto.perfectworld.com/cstore

And the prices for perfect world Zen:

€45.00 5,000 + 300
€27.00 3,000
€18.00 2,000
€9.00 1,000
€4.50 500

(They only do Zen in USD and EUR thats why I haven't used GBP)

So... Because one free to play game has pay to win features, all free games have pay to win features? Generalizing isn't a good thing to do.

[A5ko]

So... Because one free to play game has pay to win features, all free games have pay to win features? Generalizing isn't a good thing to do.

Sadly this seems to be the #1 problem with posters on these boards.

I'm sure the many F2P games raking in money and active players are not concerned with such a small fish like FFXIV as it stands now. If the only way for FFXIV 2.0 to survive is go free to play, I find it very hard to believe that the mass population would just up and leave.

[Delsus]

Sadly this seems to be the #1 problem with posters on these boards.

I'm sure the many F2P games raking in money and active players are not concerned with such a small fish like FFXIV as it stands now. If the only way for FFXIV 2.0 to survive is go free to play, I find it very hard to believe that the mass population would just up and leave.

If I had to buy a relic just to be effective or buy the best armour yes I would. There is no money in vanity items unless they look like they are worth it, the real money is in pay to win.

[Ingolf]

If I had to buy a relic just to be effective or buy the best armour yes I would. There is no money in vanity items unless they look like they are worth it, the real money is in pay to win.

Team Fortress 2 disagrees with you.

[Ingolf]

Sadly this seems to be the #1 problem with posters on these boards.

I'm sure the many F2P games raking in money and active players are not concerned with such a small fish like FFXIV as it stands now. If the only way for FFXIV 2.0 to survive is go free to play, I find it very hard to believe that the mass population would just up and leave.

Yup. Yoshida even said that he would consider a different subscription model if the time came for it.

[Delsus]

So... Because one free to play game has pay to win features, all free games have pay to win features? Generalizing isn't a good thing to do.

Its the most profitable way to make money "Here buy this sexy subligar for your vanity slot!!!" um.. yeah I'll pass, or "Here buy this awesome ship with nanoprobe technology which will decimate Borg cubes!!!!" which has more appeal to you? Its business and in business you want things that will sell.

[Ingolf]

Its the most profitable way to make money "Here buy this sexy subligar for your vanity slot!!!" um.. yeah I'll pass, or "Here buy this awesome ship with nanoprobe technology which will decimate Borg cubes!!!!" which has more appeal to you? Its business and in business you want things that will sell.

Well actually, the most profitable way is to create a trusting relationship between developer and consumer.

[Andrien]

Of course I have never played STO, I have never seen their 20 euro ships, which are the best, oh and new ones are being released all the time, the only way that would be cheaper than FFXIV would mean releasing new ships no more often than every 3 months. Then lets no forget the lock boxes, keys for STO cost about 10 euros for 10, you can need over 100 to get the exclusive items from them if you are unlucky.

Large exp boost almost 9 euros

Lets not forget the fact we have 2 characters one FED one klingon, and the ships can only be used with their respective faction, so a new klingon and FED escourt comes out, that's about 40 euros straight up, then 2 months later 2 more come, better thats another 40 euros 80 euros in 2 months is really cheaper than FFXIV.

You pay more to be effective at F2P games than subscription there's the proof.

Here is the link to the c-store for STO for you to ponder on. http://sto.perfectworld.com/cstore

And the prices for perfect world Zen:

€45.00 5,000 + 300
€27.00 3,000
€18.00 2,000
€9.00 1,000
€4.50 500

(They only do Zen in USD and EUR thats why I haven't used GBP)

Or you can join a fleet, and if your fleet shipyard level is high enough you can buy fleet ships. Oh, and you can farm dilithium crystals and sell them for Zen. So you don't have to pay a dime to earn any Zen. Oh snap I just saved you a lot of cash!

[Delsus]

Or you can join a fleet, and if your fleet shipyard level is high enough you can buy fleet ships. Oh, and you can farm dilithium crystals and sell them for Zen. So you don't have to pay a dime to earn any Zen. Oh snap I just saved you a lot of cash!

And added a lot of time 2,500 Zen will cost over over 200,000 Dilithium (possibly closer to the 1mil mark) this will take ages to farm though mining, STF, daily events etc. So its devote all your time to the game or spend the £20 per ship, the dilithium exchange is designed as a top up not to replace buying Zen.