Arcanist and Summoner artwork

[KoujiGeki]

which brings up another fear i have. yes i know wait for it to come out. but if carby is like what you said only there to help out the real tank, unless carby does good damage, your giving up space for another tank really. Unless they intend Arcanist to pretty much solo to 50. A space that could be for a bard that can make everyone stronger or a dd or blm that can kill faster. Now somewhere said that arcanist itself will be a debuffer? if thats true im fine with that only IF se rework the enfeeble to make them noticable. not a 15 second paralyze that you wont even notice an effect like the drgs paralyze, or giving up the ability to dd to do a stun like Blm. And beside the fights dont last long enough for the debuffs to be even worth it.

[Rannie]

My thoughts is the 7 base classes - then the two new ones(And any from here forth) be "Advanced" classes. Jobs are always unlocked.

Arcanist is a class not a job

Summoner is the job

They never said it was an advanced class there will be no advanced classes the jobs are the "advanced" areas of the game

why unlock something that isn't "advanced" and will be brought out with the relaunch of the remade game

[Duelle]

which brings up another fear i have. yes i know wait for it to come out. but if carby is like what you said only there to help out the real tank, unless carby does good damage, your giving up space for another tank really. Unless they intend Arcanist to pretty much solo to 50.

You've never played WoW or Lineage II, have you? >.>

I think what they'll do is have tank carby be more a means for the Arcanist/SMN to solo quest while the caster version of carby would be for groups.

Comparatively, Warlocks in WoW have the Voidwalker which has low damage but generates aggro (not as much as a real tank), but would switch to the succubus (melee pet with crowd control abilities) or imp (ranged caster) when in groups. I'm getting the vibe that SMN and Arcanist will be going in that direction, which is not a bad thing at all. Outside of super easy content that was outleveled, Voidwalkers couldn't hold a candle to a real tank, so I think your fears are unfounded.

[Rannie]

which brings up another fear i have. yes i know wait for it to come out. but if carby is like what you said only there to help out the real tank, unless carby does good damage, your giving up space for another tank really. Unless they intend Arcanist to pretty much solo to 50. A space that could be for a bard that can make everyone stronger or a dd or blm that can kill faster. Now somewhere said that arcanist itself will be a debuffer? if thats true im fine with that only IF se rework the enfeeble to make them noticable. not a 15 second paralyze that you wont even notice an effect like the drgs paralyze, or giving up the ability to dd to do a stun like Blm. And beside the fights dont last long enough for the debuffs to be even worth it.

how would that be taking up space? they're not a direct party member. it's an indirect npc. If they go about it the same way they did in 11 with any pet classes you could have a full party and still summon said wyvern or pet or summons and not take up party space.

[Renala]

Arcanist is a class not a job

Summoner is the job

They never said it was an advanced class there will be no advanced classes the jobs are the "advanced" areas of the game

why unlock something that isn't "advanced" and will be brought out with the relaunch of the remade game

I'm saying so that people that just join, they don't jump into ARN/the other new jobs as they first join. This has more reason then just "Oh I don't want to see 50000298476 of one job!" - yes I don't want that, but another reason is so people who have been playing it can A) Unlock it(And therefor be able to tell people how to as they get X level to unlock it) and B) Level the job some to be able to help guide people threw it.

I personally don't see an issue in having it be like unlocked, even if its just a simple quest, that does require you to be level 20 or something to do. I mean, it doesn't make sense. "Equip book. YOU NOW KNOW HOW TO SUMMON CARBUNCLE. CONGRATULATIONS". Magic and sort at least sort of made sense. Summoning a lesser primal doesn't. I'd LOVE to see them add a level 1 necklace named "Carbuncle ruby necklace" that you need to go SB or something simple.

[Bowen]

I'm saying so that people that just join, they don't jump into ARN/the other new jobs as they first join. This has more reason then just "Oh I don't want to see 50000298476 of one job!" - yes I don't want that, but another reason is so people who have been playing it can A) Unlock it(And therefor be able to tell people how to as they get X level to unlock it) and B) Level the job some to be able to help guide people threw it.

I personally don't see an issue in having it be like unlocked, even if its just a simple quest, that does require you to be level 20 or something to do. I mean, it doesn't make sense. "Equip book. YOU NOW KNOW HOW TO SUMMON CARBUNCLE. CONGRATULATIONS". Magic and sort at least sort of made sense. Summoning a lesser primal doesn't. I'd LOVE to see them add a level 1 necklace named "Carbuncle ruby necklace" that you need to go SB or something simple.

Except, you know, the book probably contains spells and incantations for summoning. I know what you're saying, but the whole idea behind the armoury system is to allow us to switch classes at a whim.

[KoujiGeki]

how would that be taking up space? they're not a direct party member. it's an indirect npc. If they go about it the same way they did in 11 with any pet classes you could have a full party and still summon said wyvern or pet or summons and not take up party space.

What i mean is the actually job arcanist Carby will be their main point of damage being a pet job. And some one said that arcanist itself will be a debuffing job. So back to carby will he hit hard or faster? Cause right now Debuffs are useless, trash mobs dont live long enough to see the effect, boss Dlvl bull crap makes them next to immune to debuffs, and even if the debuff lands you wont see the effect. If carby cant keep up with other DDs, not be monstrously more powerful, maybe more power than a monk but hits slower, but faster than a drg but not as powerful. Would that suffice? Cause why pick Arcanist over a blm or the other DD, Debuff which dont do much?

[Andrien]

I doubt carby will be arcanist only pet. There is cait sith, and I saw Typhoon and Fenrir in the concept art. summoner will most likely have more abilities for them to utilize

[Rannie]

I'm saying so that people that just join, they don't jump into ARN/the other new jobs as they first join. This has more reason then just "Oh I don't want to see 50000298476 of one job!" - yes I don't want that, but another reason is so people who have been playing it can A) Unlock it(And therefor be able to tell people how to as they get X level to unlock it) and B) Level the job some to be able to help guide people threw it.

I personally don't see an issue in having it be like unlocked, even if its just a simple quest, that does require you to be level 20 or something to do. I mean, it doesn't make sense. "Equip book. YOU NOW KNOW HOW TO SUMMON CARBUNCLE. CONGRATULATIONS". Magic and sort at least sort of made sense. Summoning a lesser primal doesn't. I'd LOVE to see them add a level 1 necklace named "Carbuncle ruby necklace" that you need to go SB or something simple.

so basically you're saying that because there were people who didn't like the game and didn't play it when it first came out and jumped onto the bandwagon (which is what Yoshida is wanting) after it's relaunched to be forced to "unlock" a class that isn't an advanced class that was no mention of it being an advanced class. And the reason why you need it to unlock the job summoner. Or even punish us because we've played the game since launch and complained about wanting a pet class or a new mage class since it's out of balance to begin with. All because carby may or may not be the first thing you get when you equip a book? I can see them waiting for a certain level then giving your carby like the do with cure on con but to force you to unlock it no it's never going to happen. they haven't done that for any of the classes they've done that for jobs.

also not all the new players and such are automatically going to jump in and play arcanist. They still have the 7 original classes to level as well it's all personal preference really. I myself haven't gotten all my dow completely leveled. I don't have pug and glad and mrd lvled to 50 myself. So there won't be a gagillion people playing as arcanist.

[Rannie]

What i mean is the actually job arcanist Carby will be their main point of damage being a pet job. And some one said that arcanist itself will be a debuffing job. So back to carby will he hit hard or faster? Cause right now Debuffs are useless, trash mobs dont live long enough to see the effect, boss Dlvl bull crap makes them next to immune to debuffs, and even if the debuff lands you wont see the effect. If carby cant keep up with other DDs, not be monstrously more powerful, maybe more power than a monk but hits slower, but faster than a drg but not as powerful. Would that suffice? Cause why pick Arcanist over a blm or the other DD, Debuff which dont do much?

arcanist isn't the job though smn is and they will be debuffing yes debuffs will help in primal and boss battles more than you think and carby if there's a hound of mobs that are summoned like say example in the plumes with garuda you can sic carby on one of them to help get rid of them *shrugs*