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  1. #1
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    Narctiss's Avatar
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    Narctiss Telraki
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    Sargatanas
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Raubahn View Post
    so why did the first hit was the same as every other hit for the exception of that critical hit? and some were even higher?
    B4B affects all hits in Chaos Thrust as u can see you can go and test it yourself if you dont believe me.
    Sorry man, just stop being dumb and trying to back up something you are wrong about with a null and void test. Buffs only affect the first hit of multi-hit WS.
    Let me just throw this out there to back up what I've now said three times and yet you fail to grasp:

    [dev1206] Abilities that affect your next offensive ability will now benefit only the first stage of multistage weaponskills.
    From patch 1.20 notes: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tch-1.20-Notes

    Thank you, and goodnight.
    (No offense meant, Raub. I just do not like the spread of misinformation based on 'eyeballing' something. Rethink your DRG rotation and check up on all facts before claiming something to be true).
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    Rauban Daz
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    Omega
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    Fisher Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Narctiss View Post
    Sorry man, just stop being dumb and trying to back up something you are wrong about with a null and void test. Buffs only affect the first hit of multi-hit WS.
    Let me just throw this out there to back up what I've now said three times and yet you fail to grasp:



    From patch 1.20 notes: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tch-1.20-Notes

    Thank you, and goodnight.
    (No offense meant, Raub. I just do not like the spread of misinformation based on 'eyeballing' something. Rethink your DRG rotation and check up on all facts before claiming something to be true).
    Yes apparently i missed that sentence from the patch notes in 1.20 sorry for the misinformation and non taken narc.
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    Hung Hero
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    while waiting, prepare to start:
    Power Surge, Invigorate, Quelling Strike (QS)

    1. Jump
    2. Javelin Throw
    3. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Keen Flurry > Chaos Thrust
    4. Javelin Throw
    5. True Thrust (front) > Leg Sweep > B4B, blindside, QS (if up again) > Doomspike (behind)
    6. Javelin Throw
    7. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Chaos Thrust
    8. Javelin Throw
    9. True Thrust (front) > Heavy Thrust
    10. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Rings of Talon

    ... rinse repeat ... as abilities go back up.
    - use Keen with Chaos
    - use buffs with Doom
    - throw Javelin after big WS animation/Jump (unless in fight that punish animation lock)
    - use Full Thrust, Feint > Disembowel if miss anything
    - use Chameleon, Elusive Jump as needed
    - use Jump, Invigorate when up
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    Yjrn Eruyt
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    Shiva
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hung View Post
    while waiting, prepare to start:
    Power Surge, Invigorate, Quelling Strike (QS)

    1. Jump
    2. Javelin Throw
    3. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Keen Flurry > Chaos Thrust
    4. Javelin Throw
    5. True Thrust (front) > Leg Sweep > B4B, blindside, QS (if up again) > Doomspike (behind)
    6. Javelin Throw
    7. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Chaos Thrust
    8. Javelin Throw
    9. True Thrust (front) > Heavy Thrust
    10. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Rings of Talon

    ... rinse repeat ... as abilities go back up.
    - use Keen with Chaos
    - use buffs with Doom
    - throw Javelin after big WS animation/Jump (unless in fight that punish animation lock)
    - use Full Thrust, Feint > Disembowel if miss anything
    - use Chameleon, Elusive Jump as needed
    - use Jump, Invigorate when up
    Exactly, if you want to copy any rotation. Then copy this one.
    My rotation works as Hung's, that way you don't have large downtimes.

    As stated above, don't pop skills like Hawkes Eye for Chaos Thrust, one miss isn't bad and gives you more Damage from the Feint Combo than the single Hit would be worth.
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    Adahna Serafi
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    Excalibur
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    Blacksmith Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hung View Post
    while waiting, prepare to start:
    Power Surge, Invigorate, Quelling Strike (QS)

    1. Jump
    2. Javelin Throw
    3. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Keen Flurry > Chaos Thrust
    4. Javelin Throw
    5. True Thrust (front) > Leg Sweep > B4B, blindside, QS (if up again) > Doomspike (behind)
    6. Javelin Throw
    7. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Chaos Thrust
    8. Javelin Throw
    9. True Thrust (front) > Heavy Thrust
    10. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Rings of Talon

    ... rinse repeat ... as abilities go back up.
    - use Keen with Chaos
    - use buffs with Doom
    - throw Javelin after big WS animation/Jump (unless in fight that punish animation lock)
    - use Full Thrust, Feint > Disembowel if miss anything
    - use Chameleon, Elusive Jump whenever possible after your initial combo
    - use Jump, Invigorate when up
    Slight change and this is pretty much as good as it gets for single target DPS.
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    Eliseus Kayne
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    Hyperion
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    Slight change and this is pretty much as good as it gets for single target DPS.
    Wrong, if you want to maximize your dps you don't use cham/elusive jump whenever possible because then you are using a cooldown when you could be doing something else like throwing a javelin or auto attack or anything for that matter. Like Hung said, only use it when it is needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Wrong, if you want to maximize your dps you don't use cham/elusive jump whenever possible because then you are using a cooldown when you could be doing something else like throwing a javelin or auto attack or anything for that matter. Like Hung said, only use it when it is needed.
    Lol, now I know that you only reply to me to disagree with me. Seriously, how much uber 1337 game breaking dps can you do in 5 seconds. Please, tell me. This should be amusing.
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    Eliseus Kayne
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    Lol, now I know that you only reply to me to disagree with me. Seriously, how much uber 1337 game breaking dps can you do in 5 seconds. Please, tell me. This should be amusing.
    Are you really that mad because I told you you were wrong? Get over yourself. It's called criticism. I just don't like wrong info being spread around to other Dragoons and I've held my tongue the past few weeks. Then I see your dumb ass still posting wrong info so finally said something again. Don't like it? Not my fault, stop posting wrong information.

    I'm not here to troll you, just make sure that the OP who asked the question understands that he doesn't spam Cham/elusive jump if he wants to min/max. So please don't turn this into one of your troll threads and respond with some "na na na boo-boo stick your head in doo-doo" response.
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    Last edited by Eliseus; 09-06-2012 at 05:07 AM.

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    Malix's Avatar
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    Malix Farwin
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz View Post
    Slight change and this is pretty much as good as it gets for single target DPS.
    i wouldn't use chameleon unless you really need it and if your tank is just bad to where u need to use it as part of an opening rotation than you arent likely to reach your full dmg potential regardless. i generally have to use only chameleon at best and hardly ever use elusive and i have stat caps with a good spear.
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    Marka Ragnos
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    Sargatanas
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hung View Post
    while waiting, prepare to start:
    Power Surge, Invigorate, Quelling Strike (QS)

    1. Jump
    2. Javelin Throw
    3. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Keen Flurry > Chaos Thrust
    4. Javelin Throw
    5. True Thrust (front) > Leg Sweep > B4B, blindside, QS (if up again) > Doomspike (behind)
    6. Javelin Throw
    7. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Chaos Thrust
    8. Javelin Throw
    9. True Thrust (front) > Heavy Thrust
    10. Vorpal Thrust (behind) > Impulse Drive (side) > Rings of Talon

    ... rinse repeat ... as abilities go back up.
    - use Keen with Chaos
    - use buffs with Doom
    - throw Javelin after big WS animation/Jump (unless in fight that punish animation lock)
    - use Full Thrust, Feint > Disembowel if miss anything
    - use Chameleon, Elusive Jump as needed
    - use Jump, Invigorate when up
    I see that you use your Chaos Thrust combo before your buff'd Doomspike Combo. Is there a reasoning behind using ur Chaos Thrust combo first? I'm used to putting b4b, blindside and QS on Cooldown as fast as i can so i open up with that combo first. New dragoon here so it's rather confusing.
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