Relics...?

[Orophin]

Here you can see that Hamlets are still there:
http://gamestatics.com/wp-content/up...06/battle1.jpg

Hamlet Defense would be still ingame, but the way to defend them can change. Like I said, details.

This doesn't necessarily mean Hamlet Defense will be staying, it just means Hyrstmill is still there and you can do some quests there.

The reps said that your current progress for relic weapons will be saved, but there's really no progress recorded until you actually turn in the beastmen seals. So it sounds like the content revolving around getting the promissory note and beyond will still exist in ARR to cater to those who are still working on a relic.

I imagine the quest is going to change in some respects, it's just unknown how until we actually get our hands on the game. Beastmen sound like they're going to be a major part of the story in ARR, so it's quite possible hamlet defense will stay and the relic quest doesn't change much at all. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Suirieko]

the LSs doing it in 1 or 2 weeks are a bit above average. 'typical' linkshells can expect it to take closer to 4-5+ weeks... which is why you don't see very many NA LS's with relic.



yeah, right, sure. let's just marginalize more content for the casuals. let's take the challenge and work out of every aspect of the game so there's nothing left for people who play specifically for that.

great idea, as usual. except, you know- relic is supposed to take a bit of luck, a lot of work and a lot of skill. i guess we just shouldn't bother having relic at all?

anyway, my LS has gotten full seal sets for about two dozen players now, and hamlet isn't even anywhere close to a priority. people need to stop making excuses and just get it done.

Skill is one thing. Having to repeat an event 100+ time to finish all 9 seals isn't even skill. That's just pure luck, especially when you're doing 60K~70K runs 95% of the time.

[darkstarpoet1]

Skill is one thing. Having to repeat an event 100+ time to finish all 9 seals isn't even skill. That's just pure luck, especially when you're doing 60K~70K runs 95% of the time.

no hamlets aren't skill. that is all about being dedicated and motivated to do them. the other parts of the quest outside of the hamlets and double melding are more skill involved.

most groups don't have the skill and coordination to get a 25 min speed run in either dungeon much less complete it in 17 minutes.

most groups can't go through and kill garuda in less than 10 min without anyone dying.

most groups can't beat ifrit extreme.

i'm not saying that the entire quest is skill related, but to act like the entire quest is luck based is off base. yes, there are parts that are just spam the same stuff over and over and hope to get lucky, but multiple parts of the quest does actually require skill and most groups are not able to reach the level required.

[Cascade]

no hamlets aren't skill. that is all about being dedicated and motivated to do them. the other parts of the quest outside of the hamlets and double melding are more skill involved.

most groups don't have the skill and coordination to get a 25 min speed run in either dungeon much less complete it in 17 minutes.

most groups can't go through and kill garuda in less than 10 min without anyone dying.

most groups can't beat ifrit extreme.

i'm not saying that the entire quest is skill related, but to act like the entire quest is luck based is off base. yes, there are parts that are just spam the same stuff over and over and hope to get lucky, but multiple parts of the quest does actually require skill and most groups are not able to reach the level required.

you didn't even add in the FNMs some of those fights are rough and ive seen groups wipe to them for 3 days

[Felis]

Seriously. There's hardly any skill involved except for the Primal and dungeon segments. Hamlet seals, double meld and dungeon segments if you don't get a 17 minute run (or so I hear, apparently there's a small chance) are all luck. It's not really as difficult as it is time consuming. Though for the double meld and hamlet seals you can replace luck with money lol.

Fraction leve has nothing to do with luck.
Darkhold has nothing to do with luck.
Spirit Bond has nothing to do with luck.
Caravan and behest has nothing to do with luck.
Beastmen coins has as much luck as every other farming
Killing the beastmen NM has nothing to do with luck (except you are in a PUG party who don't know how to fight them)
Killing Leve NM has nothing to do with luck

[Altanas]

I havent gotten anywhere with the relic quest but it would not be so bad imo if you could flag the quest immediately by speaking to Gerolt rather than having to get seals and a note. Gerolt should give an AF-1 at flagging the quest. That way you could at least make progress for things like AV or CC salts, NMs, Factions, Spiritbonding, Primals. At the moment you can make progress with beastcoins or melding, but everything else is just in limbo it seems. If it was that way at least you could make passive progress towards the quest and treat it like achievements. The players would then be willing to engage in any of the contents at any time rather than people grinding hamlet for 2 weeks, spiritbonding for days, trying primals non stop for days on end.

[Cascade]

I havent gotten anywhere with the relic quest but it would not be so bad imo if you could flag the quest immediately by speaking to Gerolt rather than having to get seals and a note. Gerolt should give an AF-1 at flagging the quest. That way you could at least make progress for things like AV or CC salts, NMs, Factions, Spiritbonding, Primals. At the moment you can make progress with beastcoins or melding, but everything else is just in limbo it seems. If it was that way at least you could make passive progress towards the quest and treat it like achievements. The players would then be willing to engage in any of the contents at any time rather than people grinding hamlet for 2 weeks, spiritbonding for days, trying primals non stop for days on end.

its done in steps.... and step 1 is your seals
the only step that you can do in any order is the DH/Caravan/behest part cause the order doesn't matter its all the same part of the quest

[fusional]

Luck =/= Skill.

oh, right, we're just incredibly lucky. so lucky that we facerolled through the hardest faction leve NMs in a matter of hours, ifrit extreme in under a week for first kill... and van darnus hard in just a couple days. yep, you got me there.

you =/= knowing what you're talking about.

[Elexia]

you =/= knowing what you're talking about.

Yeah too bad people were talking about Hamlet Defense in terms of luck, but I'll use your post:

tl;dr don't make excuses and blanket statements about others

What happened to this? Telling others to stop making blanket statements when this is all you do? Follow your own advice before you spout it off to others.

[Suirieko]

no hamlets aren't skill. that is all about being dedicated and motivated to do them.

Never implied that Hamlets are skill. It's about luck, unless you're willing to work your ass off to get #1, #2, and #3, and it's still about partially luck and more about a lot of work.

the other parts of the quest outside of the hamlets and double melding are more skill involved.

most groups don't have the skill and coordination to get a 25 min speed run in either dungeon much less complete it in 17 minutes.

Never denied that's skill. That is truly skill, as it is the skill of teamwork.

most groups can't go through and kill garuda in less than 10 min without anyone dying.

most groups can't beat ifrit extreme.

I agree.

i'm not saying that the entire quest is skill related, but to act like the entire quest is luck based is off base. yes, there are parts that are just spam the same stuff over and over and hope to get lucky, but multiple parts of the quest does actually require skill and most groups are not able to reach the level required.

My post is mainly about Hamlet, not the rest of the quest. The rest of the quest is definitely about group skill and hardwork. There is no denying that at all. Hamlet is just a bullshit part of the whole thing.