JPGames: Interview with Yoshida Naoki

[drivendawn]

Riiiight,let me go down the list here:
tp bars
world bosses that you can summon
group limit breaks
armory system
job class system
Yep Wow has all of those right. Just because they stream lined the UI to the industry standard and quest progression another industry standard doesn't mean that they are not innovative.

[Duelle]

What I personally find funny is when people say cloning WoW is ok but not any MMO before despite WoW came out in 2004 and most "standard MMORPGs" came out between 1994 - 2002.

Take inspiration from what is known to work vs take inspiration from what is either very outdated or outright failed. Hmm...

PS: FFXI copying Everquest has been made official. Maybe now the rose-colored goggles can come off and we can move on.

[Gramul]

Riiiight,let me go down the list here:
tp bars
world bosses that you can summon
group limit breaks
armory system
job class system
Yep Wow has all of those right. Just because they stream lined the UI to the industry standard and quest progression another industry standard doesn't mean that they are not innovative.

Many other games have original features and additions to boast but they don't innovate at the genre's core, and thus don't appeal beyond the regular scope.
We'll see how 2.0 fares. For now, I'm cautiously optimistic.

[drivendawn]

As am I Gramul, though i was mainly directing that at some in this thread that were saying it was a WOW clone with basically
no innovation to speak of.

[Jennestia]

Take inspiration from what is known to work vs take inspiration from what is either very outdated or outright failed. Hmm...

PS: FFXI copying Everquest has been made official. Maybe now the rose-colored goggles can come off and we can move on.

Everyone who actually played FFXI knew that SE used EQ as a base during it's production because most people who played XI that previously played MMOs could tell off the bat it was similar to EQ yet still did things in a unique way. No one has ever denied that except for the ones that seem to dislike that XI exists stating that others find it a completely original game. Also:

Take inspiration from what is known to work vs take inspiration from what is either very outdated or outright failed. Hmm...

What failed? There's really been only a few of the MMOs between 1994-2002 failed from what I seen, yet we're constantly seeing most new MMOs fail right off the bat, unless you were trying to say FFXI failed, then you're just being biased, since if we're talking about failed MMOs, APB is a good example of one.

[Zenaku]

So far it does look like a wow-clone let just hope it does not keep following that road all games that make wow-clone end up failing. You can add wow stuff and make it your own but so far ffxiv 2.0 seem more of a wow-clone then anything most of everything that make it final fantasy wont even be in 2.0.

[Felis]

Don't remember seeing question marks floating above people's heads in FFXI

Only because everquest 2 didn't have quest icons during the time the FF XI developers played it before they created FF XI.

If you guys think the PC UI is too much WoW use a gamepad on your PC and switch to the gamepad UI (PS3 UI).

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

Just give it up guys this game will NEVER be Final Fantasy 11-2. And thank goodness.

[Gramul]

Just give it up guys this game will NEVER be Final Fantasy 11-2. And thank goodness.

Well poo on you.

[Shurrikhan]

Hey, they already tried innovation. The result was 1.0 and everyone hating them. Even if they polished it up, 1.0 is still fools gold. It's easy to say "innovation" when you'll have no part in it. But for these guys, they need to make a successful MMO no matter what or they get the boot.

Innovation didn't make 1.0 the failing that it was. Shortsightedness and lacking thoroughness did, along with generally haphazard implementations. You can make an interesting experience out of the kind of gameplay 1.0 planned. They didn't reach it, but that's a problem of execution, not the innovation.