They should put actual MMO players on the development team.

[Velhart]

Ohh this will be fun.

The history of the history of MMORPGs can be traced back to Mazewar(1974) However the phrase was coined in 1997 with Ultima Online, and I was guessing by a couple aspects of your posts that 1997 may be pretty close to your birth date.

According to the Wiki, buddy, it says "First Person Shooter". You sure this an MMORPG?

Dragon Quest Monsters... isn't a MMO... what the heck??? Even if Yoshida had worked on a MMO or two in the past, which as far as I know I'm pretty sure he hasn't, there would still be people in this world who play MMOs every day through whom he would be able to benefit with through correspondence.

I'm sorry your reading comprehension is terrible, so let me say it again. Yoshida's previous works were with the Dragon Quest Monsters series before going into the MMO business. I said in no way he has worked on MMO's before. FFXIV is his very first try at the MMO field, and so far, he is succeeding.

Well first off, nothing I mentioned in my OP has been disproved by anything anyone's posted... The only two arguments that have been used against me are "Yoshi-p played DAoC." Which I already acknowledged on page one before anyone even brought it up, and the argument that he worked on the "Dragon Quest Monster MMO" which doesn't even exist... I think you're greatly over stating your side of the argument just because this has turned into a flame war, regardless of what really happened. Commonsense is a matter of opinion, and in addition to being called commonsense, it's not so common. Even though almost everyone thinks they have it.

Look back at your PLD/DRG thread, did you even bother to see what state they are in? Nope, you decided to come on the forums and complain about two jobs that got their fix and used in many party situations. Even admitted yourself you were wrong. You don't check your sources before posting and it only makes you look bad.

I don't need attention from angry boy's on the internet, I get enough of that from the ladies in RL. ZIiiiiiiing, just kidding. Seriously though, I think it would be a really good idea to have veteran MMO players on staff for correspondence, I have no clue why so many people are deeply offended by the concept. It's not like taking MMO veterans opinions into careful consideration would lead to anything bad... Yoshi-p would still be the one calling all the shots, but I guess that's what people do on forums; rage out over nothing. I realize they won't ever do what I've suggest in OP, but if anything else I hope in the future they do strengthen their correspondence with players and potential players alike, but also realize whom they are getting correspondence from in the first place.

Getting opinions from noobs has it's place because noobs have their place in the game. The problem is no ones a noob for ever, and end game content is what keeps people subscribing. A large portion of the people here don't have the experience that is needed to provide useful information about quality high end content.

Hmm, ladies, okay then. Let me ask, how do you expect the developers, this deep into the stage, and positions decided by higher ups and not fanboys, to respond to a thread like this? It sounds like an awful lot like an attention seeking tool to me you are pulling off here.

[Mijin]

Haha it's cool I'm not perfect but at least I can do better than this:

It was never a personal attack. It was me referring to myself as no one³, and my opinion holds little to no value in the eyes of DEVs because I don't study game design or anything.

However, since you are not the brightest, I forgive you.

Have you ever thought that maybe you are wrong sometimes, or alot of times? That is why you research¹ before you create a thread? Do you see a pattern with your other thread? That is why you actually experience² the content before you create a thread? That is why you actually need to have DRG levelled before you call them shit?

¹ If you're trying to say I should research you shouldn't say I research. The sentence should read something like
² ^ Same.
³Ne referring to me as no one? That's what it actually said.
* "or anything" should pretty much be omitted.

His sentence structure is just fine.

No it isn't

Protip: Don't go grammar nazi on someone else when your spelling and grammar isn't impeccable either.

In spite of the fact that you were able to prove I made a mistake in a sea of text, I was still able to prove I'm smarter than the guy trying to call me stupid. I never claimed to be perfect. Just better

I don't blame you though for trying to make me look worse though because he's your friend, or because you disagree with me. I would probably do the same.

[Alderton]

It's not like you need to own a Ferrari to know their considered a nice car, or own a Mac to think most people consider them to suck.

Since I've noticed you are editing out your grammar mistakes, I thought I'd point out another one.

[Jynx]

What was this thread about again? Must be about spelling...

[ArkNova]

I'm smarter than the guy trying to call me stupid.

It's a grammar game Alderton.

[Mijin]

According to the Wiki, buddy, it says "First Person Shooter". You sure this an MMORPG?

According to my actual words I said that the origins of MMOs could be traced back to that game, but the term MMO wasn't coined until 1997. As to suggest that you the reader could choose for yourself the date(1974-1997) MMOs first appeared. I happen to agree with you the game I linked isn't a MMO, but it was one of the first multi-user games. It should be obvious that I'm not trying to suggest that MMOs existed before the internet. In fact if you read down a few paragraphs on the page I linked you can see I almost directly quoted what the wiki pages says.

I'm sorry your reading comprehension is terrible, so let me say it again. Yoshida's previous works were with the Dragon Quest Monsters series before going into the MMO business. I said in no way he has worked on MMO's before. FFXIV is his very first try at the MMO field, and so far, he is succeeding.

Well this is exactly what you wrote:

Anyways, the reason Yoshida was hired to begin with was because he had a lot of knowledge in the MMO industry. From his previous projects which were the Dragon Quest Monster series, why would SE hire a guy who has only helped create these games and most people never heard of? Because they were aware of his MMO experience.

Don't blame me for your poor choice of words. You never once said this was his first MMO. I guess if someone was already aware of what you were talking about it would be possible to read it that way, but you didn't word anything in that sentence very well.

Look back at your PLD/DRG thread, did you even bother to see what state they are in? Nope, you decided to come on the forums and complain about two jobs that got their fix and used in many party situations. Even admitted yourself you were wrong. You don't check your sources before posting and it only makes you look bad.

I admitted I was being over dramatic, and that I over looked some corrections that were made. I still think they need some improvements to make them more ppiratically useful. I also didn't list any sources, the whole post was opinion. So basically all that happened is some guys opinion changed on the internet. What a tremendous accomplishment.

Hmm, ladies, okay then. Let me ask, how do you expect the developers, this deep into the stage, and positions decided by higher ups and not fanboys, to respond to a thread like this? It sounds like an awful lot like an attention seeking tool to me you are pulling off here.

The answer is they wont, because they'll never hear about it like everything else in the general forum. This thread was just for us, and thank you for being such a fun part of it.

Ohh this will be fun.

It was.

[Xianghua]

It's a grammar game Alderton.

Don't be mad because he's "starter" than you.

[Mijin]

Since I've noticed you are editing out your grammar mistakes, I thought I'd point out another one.

Thanks, I'll change it to they're right away. If you look at any single one of my posts you'll notice they're all edited. I always go back and proof read them at least once after posting them. Every once and a while a mistake or two will still slip.

[Mijin]

It's a grammar game Alderton.

You like spouting random garbage don't you? I pointed out that the first link was old not my fault you chose not to look at the other links which quite honestly you probably did anyway and your just looking to keep an argument going.

I think you meant to say "you're"

We should make a thread just for this, it's actually a blast.

[Velhart]

Well this is exactly what you wrote:

Don't blame me for your poor choice of words. You never once said this was his first MMO. I guess if someone was already aware of what you were talking about it would be possible to read it that way, but you didn't word anything in that sentence very well.

Don't blame me because you don't know how to read. "Knowledge" and "Development Experience" are two different things. It is your fault for not reading it right, not mine. It also proves my point that you don't follow your sources on anything.

Don't pretend you have the upper hand in this thread either, almost no one agrees with you and all you have accomplished this evening is get your reputation even more tarnished. Most likely you will keep going on in the ongoing threads you probably have planned and we will have another Rokien.