They should put actual MMO players on the development team.

[Mijin]

The thing is, going through the motions and experiencing something is radically different than critically analyzing things.

People who have gone through the motions of different aspects of several MMOs for many years and have already decided what they hate and like? Who else would be better to filter out/improve bad ideas before they're released. Hell, some of the stuff that's been done in FFXIV and received bad reviews has already been done before and received bad reviews. No AH for example... If they had an experienced MMO player on their team and say, "yeah you know, we're thinking about not adding an auction house." That would have solved one catastrophe before it even happened...

If you want 2.0 to turn into another SWTOR,sure,put players on the dev team

Yeah... Because a Si/Fi MMO with guns that exclusively appealed to people who love Star Wars. I underlined the fail for you.

[Ptolemy]

People who have gone through the motions of different aspects of several MMOs for many years and have already decided what they hate and like? Who else would be better to filter out/improve bad ideas before they're released. Hell, some of the stuff that's been done in FFXIV and received bad reviews has already been done before and received bad reviews. No AH for example... If they had an experienced MMO player on their team and say, "yeah you know, we're thinking about not adding an auction house." That would have solved one catastrophe before it even happened...


Yeah... Because a Si/Fi MMO with guns that exclusively appealed to people who love Star Wars. I underlined the fail for you.

Oh, nice, thanks, forgot to add that the dev team in SWTOR followed everything the players wanted also, edit the post you made plz so you wont get called out for a terrible insult you tried to make

[Velhart]

Well I don't remember ever seeing Yoshida mention anything but DAoC and DIII, but even if it is true if we only have one educated mans opinion running the whole show things could just start to go according to his taste.

I acknowledged the fact that the team was forced to play MMOs for a little bit, but that still doesn't compare to the knowledge of those that who have been playing MMOs since before you were probably even born.

I never said 2.0 didn't sound decent, I even mentioned iirc in OP that I thought it was going to save the game, but I guess you only read the topic.

Also I'm glad you like my posts. Thanks for commenting.

Would love to see the MMO's that were around before I was born.

Anyways, the reason Yoshida was hired to begin with was because he had a lot of knowledge in the MMO industry. From his previous projects which were the Dragon Quest Monster series, why would SE hire a guy who has only helped create these games and most people never heard of? Because they were aware of his MMO experience. Perhaps there are other reasons he was hired besides that, but I believe SE knows more on who is the right crew for what more than you do, even if they get bad eggs here and there.

On another note, next time you decide to make a thread, have some sources to back yourself up. You come in and say things, most which are not true, and then defend yourself when people with common sense call you out. All I see right now is someone wanting attention. Good job, because you are getting it .

[Valmonte]

People who have gone through the motions of different aspects of several MMOs for many years and have already decided what they hate and like? Who else would be better to filter out/improve bad ideas before they're released. Hell, some of the stuff that's been done in FFXIV and received bad reviews has already been done before and received bad reviews. No AH for example... If they had an experienced MMO player on their team and say, "yeah you know, we're thinking about not adding an auction house." That would have solved one catastrophe before it even happened...


Yeah... Because a Si/Fi MMO with guns that exclusively appealed to people who love Star Wars. I underlined the fail for you.

no SWTOR failed because the only thing making a sound at EA was the coins clinking together in there CEO's Head, the game was utter shit at launch it was so nuasiating it was the first time an MMO made me puke...it was that bad.

EVE Online is a very successful SCiFI-MMO.

[Mijin]

Oh, nice, thanks, forgot to add that the dev team in SWTOR followed everything the players wanted also, edit the post you made plz so you wont get called out for a terrible insult you tried to make

What insult? I was simply trying to insinuate that a Si/fi MMO, with guns, and also targeted a set audience with in an audience was destined for failure.

I have no idea what you took from what I wrote as anything being an insult, I mean I think my English is pretty decent...

[Ptolemy]

What insult? I was simply trying to insinuate that a Si/fi MMO, with guns, and also targeted a set audience with in an audience was destined for failure.

I have no idea what you took from what I wrote as anything being an insult, I mean I think my English is pretty decent...

Could of said that instead of using vague language

[Alderton]

People who have gone through the motions of different aspects of several MMOs for many years and have already decided what they hate and like? Who else would be better to filter out/improve bad ideas before they're released.

A Designer. Production. The Creative Director.

The AH argument is a bit silly, because it was clear they were going forwards with a different approach to buying and selling. It obviously didn't work, likely because we saw a system that wasn't fully realized. I'd be curious to see what the original pitch was, as it could've been something very interesting.

[SuzakuCMX]

Pretty sure Yoshi-P has played MMOs for a good chunk of his life. He mentions it like...a lot.

[Mijin]

Would love to see the MMO's that were around before I was born.

The history of the history of MMORPGs can be traced back to Mazewar(1974) However the phrase was coined in 1997 with Ultima Online, and I was guessing by a couple aspects of your posts that 1997 may be pretty close to your birth date.

Anyways, the reason Yoshida was hired to begin with was because he had a lot of knowledge in the MMO industry. From his previous projects which were the Dragon Quest Monster series, why would SE hire a guy who has only helped create these games and most people never heard of? Because they were aware of his MMO experience. Perhaps there are other reasons he was hired besides that, but I believe SE knows more on who is the right crew for what more than you do, even if they get bad eggs here and there.

Dragon Quest Monsters... isn't a MMO... what the heck??? Even if Yoshida had worked on a MMO or two in the past, which as far as I know I'm pretty sure he hasn't, there would still be people in this world who play MMOs every day through whom he would be able to benefit with through correspondence.

On another note, next time you decide to make a thread, have some sources to back yourself up. You come in and say things, most which are not true, and then defend yourself when people with common sense call you out.

Well first off, nothing I mentioned in my OP has been disproved by anything anyone's posted... The only two arguments that have been used against me are "Yoshi-p played DAoC." Which I already acknowledged on page one before anyone even brought it up, and the argument that he worked on the "Dragon Quest Monster MMO" which doesn't even exist... I think you're greatly over stating your side of the argument just because this has turned into a flame war, regardless of what really happened. Commonsense is a matter of opinion, and in addition to being called commonsense, it's not so common. Even though almost everyone thinks they have it.

All I see right now is someone wanting attention. Good job, because you are getting it .

I don't need attention from angry boy's on the internet, I get enough of that from the ladies in RL. ZIiiiiiiing, just kidding. Seriously though, I think it would be a really good idea to have veteran MMO players on staff for correspondence, I have no clue why so many people are deeply offended by the concept. It's not like taking MMO veterans opinions into careful consideration would lead to anything bad... Yoshi-p would still be the one calling all the shots, but I guess that's what people do on forums; rage out over nothing. I realize they won't ever do what I've suggest in OP, but if anything else I hope in the future they do strengthen their correspondence with players and potential players alike, but also realize whom they are getting correspondence from in the first place.

Getting opinions from noobs has it's place because noobs have their place in the game. The problem is no ones a noob for ever, and end game content is what keeps people subscribing. A large portion of the people here don't have the experience that is needed to provide useful information about quality high end content.

[Mijin]

Pretty sure Yoshi-P has played MMOs for a good chunk of his life. He mentions it like...a lot.

I'm pretty sure that there are people out there that play mmos more than he has time for... After all he did go to college and does have a professional career. Even if he was the most experienced MMO player in the world, the opinion of only one MMO player designing a whole game most certainly cannot be a recipe for true success. He would benefit from the opinions of the types of people who like, stayed up for 18 hours trying to kill Pandemonium warden, or someone who in 2005 already had several relic weapons in FFXI. From the WoW people maybe the guild who clear the hardest heroic 25 man crap in the first week it comes out would be a good place to search for a hard core MMO player...