They should put actual MMO players on the development team.

[Alderton]

Citation #1: In this interview you can read that FFXIV's very own producer Naoki Yoshida states that people on the staff were requested to play MMOs because they had little experience with them. They're aren't really something you can just pick up over night in my honest opinion.

My interpretation of that quote is that there were certain people on the development team who were unfamiliar with MMO genre, and those specific people were asked. Not the entire team. And without specifics, this could easily be people in positions/departments that don't actually NEED to be thoroughly immersed in the genre to produce good, quality work.

#2 is impossible to cite at all. It's based on my experiences, and on my conversations that I've had with other players. I hear what I consider to be some of the best suggestions come out of hard core gamer's, and as a somewhat hard core gamer myself I've found a lot of my suggestions to be agreeable with hard core gamers as well. I also think that my belief that the more you do something the more understanding of it you will have may be correct based on common knowledge, but if you can show me evidence against it I could be persuaded against it I suppose(That was sarcasm in case it lost it's meaning being read).

Here's the catch, though - you're dead-set on this opinion of yours without actually knowing how the development side of the gaming industry works (assumption of mine). I'd love to hear your ideas as well, but it honestly falls out of the scope of our discussion (feel free to post if you want regardless, genuine curiosity).

My google-fu is weak, and I'm at work, so I won't spend long looking, but any good game design book you ever pick up will have sections dedicated to interacting with your end-user and deciphering what they say, and learning when to just straight-up ignore someone because it is clear they don't have a firm grasp on things. The strength of a designer is in knowing the target audience, and crafting an experience that is tailored to them. There are countless ways of doing this without having a dude who dropped out of college to tell him what is up.

Who do you think makes Barbie games? It isn't young girls, even though they play them the most.

[XxOstiaxX]

Why do people say Swotors launche was garbage ? Swotors lauch was actually pretty damm flawless, the only problem the game had, was the huge gap in content between levels 1-40 and cap level, from starting point to end you had a very diverse amount of content to do and way's to progress, at cap level it was just horrible :/

Oh and their pvp was unbalanced as hell

[Mijin]

It was never a personal attack, it was me referring to me as no one and my opinion holds little no value in the eyes of devs because i don't study game design or anything.

However since you are not the brightest, I forgive you.



Have you ever thought that maybe you are wrong sometimes or alot of times? that is why you research before you create a thread? Do you see a pattern with your other thread? that is why you actually experience the content before you create a thread? that is why you actually need to have DRG levelled before you call them shit?

You calling me stupid isn't very offensive considering my spelling and grammar is better than yours. You don't even know how to structure a sentence. This whole angry at the world thing you've got going on isn't very persuasive in the regard of your brightness either, and these two combined kind of make you look like an angry teenager.

I always admit when I'm wrong, so yes I acknowledge that I'm now always right with great modesty. I don't want to spend a lot of time researching something before I make a post about it, so I just go off my general knowledge on the subject. Nothing I've said in this thread has been proven wrong, and I've done my best to show why I think I'm right to people with the same argument repeatedly. I do it as a courtesy because I know not everyone bothers to read every page, and I don't want false information spreading.

I don't see a pattern here with my other thread no. This thread is based on my opinion and things that have actually been mentioned in interviews with Naoki Yoshida. The other thread I made was about the opinion of DRG and PLD based on the state of the game an update or two ago. While I admit I wasn't absolutely correct in that thread from a few days ago, I think my leveling DRG had little to do with it. It's not like you need to own a Ferrari to know they're considered a nice car, or own a Mac to think most people consider them to suck. I based my own opinion on my experiences playing with them, and the opinion of others. After that I decided leveling it was the very last thing I wanted to do.

In regards of you suggesting I experience content before I create a thread. With the exception of seasonal events, you have experienced little if any content that I haven't based on your record. Don't try to act superior.

[Gao]

I don't see a pattern hear with my other thread no.

=(!!!!!!!!

[Alderton]

You calling me stupid isn't very offensive considering my spelling and grammar is better than your's.

Off-topic, and I'm not trying to poke fun at you, but that was hilarious.

[Jennestia]

You calling me stupid isn't very offensive considering my spelling and grammar is better than your's. You don't even know how to structure a sentence.

His sentence structure is just fine.

I don't see a pattern hear with my other thread no

Protip: Don't go grammar nazi on someone else when your spelling and grammar isn't impeccable either.

In regards of you suggesting I experience content before I create a thread. With the exception of seasonal events, you have experienced little if any content that I haven't based on your record. Don't try to act superior.

He has experienced quite a bit of content, even showed screenshots of him doing said content. You can't tell everything from lodestone records because even SE stated not everything co-exists in terms of displaying history. Even using XIVpads doesn't help.

Heck, he even showed us speedruns doing setups that people say "doesn't work" -- he has the experience to back up his claims.

[Gao]

@Jynx I just had to do it.... it was so tempting =/

[Jynx]

I'm really still trying to wrap my head around the idea that you think playing a MMO is required to make a MMO. I would imagine playing a MMO doesn't help you a whole lot when your job is combing code or designing 3D models or sketching concept art...

@Gao: It's ok I guess I jumped the gun a bit myself.

[Antipika]

Besides even if they wanted to read every post made it's not like they would ever have time, they're very busy. That's why in my opinion they should put actual MMO players on the team just for correspondence.

That's why you have teams in charge of reading forums/customers feedback, summarizing it, and forwarding it to the DEVs. It's not like the DEVs can speak English fluently anyway, so they wouldn't even be able to read anything non-JP even if they had the time.

Also you don't really need to read everything single message. Most of players are often saying the same thing over and over. If something really need change, it will grow big and after seeing lot of posts saying the same thing you can stop reading a thread.

As for the DEV team not being MMO players, it doesn't matter. What matter are people at the top. If people in charge are knowledgeable, that's enough. The DEV code-monkey will do what he has been told to do. The opposite is useless however, you may be knowledgeable about MMOs but be at a low rank within the company, it's not like anyone will listen to you and it's not like you will be able to change the game.

Finally being a knowledgeable player doesn't make automatically a good game designer. (Especially true if all you played in your life is XI/XIV...)

[Gao]

I'm really still trying to wrap my head around the idea that you think playing a MMO is required to make a MMO. I would imagine playing a MMO doesn't help you a whole lot when your job is combing code or designing 3D models or sketching concept art...

@Gao: It's ok I guess I jumped the gun a bit myself.

It's cool don't sweat it, it's the internetz after all