Good time to buy stock in Square-Enix?

[TimonLoon]

However it is implied that SE has enough cash to throw around to keep FFXIV alive. so either the subs are enough to keep it afloat or their pockets are deeper than implied.

It's the latter. Sub fees are currently a drop in the bucket to what they're spending in development.

[JackDaniels]

1: SE did NOT cancel FF13 Vs. that was a rumor that Wada said was false.
2: I doubt they did, wheres your proof?
3: Thats why the hell we're getting a FF14 2.0, if your so negative and think the company is failing why the hell are you playing one of their games?

oooooh ~~ me~ow!

[lshumaker]

It's fun to be in denial land, isn't it?
SE killed FFversus.
They keep milking the FFXIII series instead of making a new one.
SE canceled FFXIII-3.
FFXIV got 4.0 out of 10.
They are bleeding money. I wouldn't be surprised if they got bought by another big gaming company, like Nintendo.
That would actually save Square Enix.

1. As others have said FFversus13 is not cancelled. I think there is even supposed to be something for it at the 25th anniversary event of FF
2. FF13-3 wasn't officially announced; besides, they've announced the Lightning saga project (which is probably just FF13-3 anyways) and also said the details will be revealed at the 25th anniversary event
3. A Realm Reborn nuff said

Oh yeah? Where's your proof that versus is still in production, OTHER than wada's word "s-sure guys...it's s-s-still in production t-trust me guys!"
Absolutely no new info in several years = game will never come out.

Except that your proof is only a rumor, and Wada's word > rumor any day. There has been new info on Versus, in 2011 they said that they moved from the crystal tools engine to a specific game engine for it. That change is part of the reason versus has taken so long to come out; the other reason is that most, if not all, of the team was focused on completing KH3D.

Hardware sales are what matters, since they make a profit on every DS/3DS/Wii sold.
Better than Sony and their nogames PSVita/PS3.

You strike me as one of those Nintendo fanboys who think they can do no wrong. Nintendo couldn't make profit off of the 3DS until they lowered the price; I believe they were losing investors until they lowered the price. Your outdated statement of "nogame PS3" kinda proves my point. PSVita on the other hand needs more games, I'll agree there.

[Keyln]

I would like to point out a couple of things.

1) FFXI is THE most profitable Final Fantasy game ever. Yes, more profitable than VII, XIII, and XIV. And they're still making new content for that game.

2) The future of FFXIV is more important than the past, and even more important is the direction of the game is going. So far, the game has improved VASTLY since the 1.00 days, and as a result, it has been a generally more fun game to play. Now if they'll release some FFXIV 2.0 gameplay videos, I would think that the excitement level go up a bit, but we probably won't see any till the 25th anniversary show coming later this month.

3) The CEO has said that vXIII (and really, I think that game is a bit over-hyped) has not been cancelled (or XIII-3 or however you want to say it). As noted, SE is holding a 25th anniversary special of Final Fantasy on the 25th of anniversary.

Would I invest money in SE? I'd probably wait till the 25th of August to see what SE does, but until then, I'd hold on to my money.

[SuzakuCMX]

SE's development as been pretty lackluster for the last several years. not everyone liked FFX. a lot of people did not like FFXII or FFXIII

Final Fantasy X was wildly popular. It's one of the most popular Final Fantasy games. Maybe you should step outside of the forums once in a while and meet with real people. It sold 6.6 million units. It was so popular, it became the first Final Fantasy game to have a direct sequel. FFXI was a huge success as well, becoming one of the best known and most-subscribed to MMORPGs of all time. FFXII was also a huge success. It won Game of the Year awards, sold over 2mil copies in Japan, was the 4th best-selling PS2 game of 2006, and sold over 5.2 million copies as of March 2007. It also has an empire of merchandise and spin-offs. FFXIII was the fastest selling title in the entire FF series and sold 6.7 million copies as of last month. FFXIII-2 has sold 2.5 million copies as of last month.

and FFXIV flopped as well

If by "as well" you mean being the only one to flop, then sure.

of course i'm not sure how these games did in Japan

All of them except FFXIV did well in both Japan and the international market.

EDIT: For comparison, the original God of War (which came out in 2005) has sold 4.6 million copies as of June 2012. Halo 3 has sold 8.1 million copies as of June 2008 (don't know if/when they'll update that). So FFX-XIII-2 are no mice in a world of gaming giants.

[XxOstiaxX]

Close to a decade and Versus still on the air.... Yup i'll trust wada on that one......

[Yumi_Hibiki]

The summary of this persons posts.

seriously, i wish people would stop responding to obvious flamebaiting bullshit and ignore that kind of people /sigh

[MariyaShidou]

If you want to invest in a winner, try ZeniMax Media if they ever go public (owns Bethesda). Their new Elder Scrolls MMO will almost for sure be one of the most successful mmo's on the market and will probably make ff look like a joke. Even the screenshots of it and concept art look years ahead of XIV. Plus they will have 3-way massive PvP battles and let you explore all of skyrim, morrowing, tamriel, and a bunch of other places. So its like every elder scrolls in one in a multiplayer arena.
And slated for release 2013.

Except the gameplay is totally MMO and not TES, the 10m+ people buying Skyrim are not guaranteed to be interested in it. The "old school" TES fan are even less interested in it because they are already bashing Skyrim for being fantasy GTA. And please don't even talk about those screenshots, because they have been nothing but lolwut to Skyrim players, the art-style is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too different (I prefer not to call it XxX clone).

[NefarioCall]

Final Fantasy X was wildly popular. It's one of the most popular Final Fantasy games. Maybe you should step outside of the forums once in a while and meet with real people. It sold 6.6 million units. It was so popular, it became the first Final Fantasy game to have a direct sequel. FFXI was a huge success as well, becoming one of the best known and most-subscribed to MMORPGs of all time. FFXII was also a huge success. It won Game of the Year awards, sold over 2mil copies in Japan, was the 4th best-selling PS2 game of 2006, and sold over 5.2 million copies as of March 2007. It also has an empire of merchandise and spin-offs. FFXIII was the fastest selling title in the entire FF series and sold 6.7 million copies as of last month. FFXIII-2 has sold 2.5 million copies as of last month.

I guess that's all part of propaganda. Your numbers are right. ... but out there in the interwebs there's a couple ten thousand people who will hate on anything that came after VI, VII, VIII, or IX depending on their preference. On this, it's kind of like a sports team. The haters always yell the loudest, and the sensible folk never call into the radio talk shows. So there's an overinflated perception that the FF franchise has been in decline for a long time, but that's just the over-inflated badgering of internet trolls catching on to a smattering of others who keep reading it and eventually begin to believe its true.

Reality is only what people think reality is after all.

I do think FFXIII could have used NPC populated areas otherwise known as towns though ... hahaha. but whatever.

[RiseAgainst]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/07/24...-not-cancelled proof ty goodbye

It's fun to be in denial land, isn't it?
SE killed FFversus.
They keep milking the FFXIII series instead of making a new on
SE canceled FFXIII-3.
FFXIV got 4.0 out of 10.
They are bleeding money. I wouldn't be surprised if they got bought by another big gaming company, like Nintendo.
That would actually save Square Enix.