Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

[Judge_Xero]

I just don't feel like its a valid argument to say "My friends let me come as this job so it's good." I mean sometimes one of my friends used to come to CC as a naked(literally no gear) DRG, that doesn't mean I wanted him too. He did it because he had a silly personality and had enough skill to make it through a CC run as a naked drg with no gear.

I feel that you can make it through any content with people on any class as long as you have the right rolls, I just don't agree that drg is on par with MNK. You cant say I'm biased either because I've refused to level either of those classes and will continue to refuse to do so until all my DoL and DoH are 50, which will be soon regrettably.

Yeah no need for a real answer then. Also I don't come DRG because my friends "let me." I go Dragoon because I am skilled at the job, I know my rotations, and am consistently high on the dps charts all the time.

The main reason why I always make decisions based on actual in game scenarios is this. ^

Person A: Although I don't have the said classes that I'm complaining about leveled, and/or ever actually use them, I'm going to complain that they are useless.

Person B: What do you mean useless? I main that class, deal huge damage, almost never die, and complete available engame content with it, just fine.

Person A: No you don't.

[Madrox]

If they added a downvoting feature there would never be any threads up because 90% of the people only post to argue with people anyway. Make a thread called "The sky is blue" see what happens.

Interesting

[Meatdawg]

In regards to this I seriously doubt it, but I really could care less if you think so anyway lol. It's not like you're going to change your opinion even if I showed you all the evidence in the world.

I will provide just as many parses (where you are present) and videos (where you are present) that you have.... zero

[Mijin]

Good! Then it might teach people like you to change your tone before you make inflammatory threads.

How is it Inflammatory? There is no reason for anyone to get offended by it, and there is no intention to offend. The purpose of the thread was to ask if there were changed coming to PLD and DRG in 2.0.

The only people who are offended are the people who love to argue and the people who have unrequited love for these classes.

[Hyrist]

How is it Inflammatory? There is no reason for anyone to get offended by it, and there is no intention to offend. The purpose of the thread was to ask if there were changed coming to PLD and DRG in 2.0.

The only people who are offended are the people who love to argue and the people who have unrequited love for these classes.

Do you really need a comparison example between a properly created thread and yours? Your post is offensive to anyone who mains Paladin or Dragoon, regardless of whether it is mild enjoyment or unrequited love. You're basically telling them "You have no reason to be in this game, because you are next to useless."

Perhaps you're just not aware that callously throwing around buzzwords isn't kosher. I don't know, but I swear people should take a class in argumentative writing before being aloud to post on boards these days - and a downvote system would be a really good way to express that.

So let me go make that thread now.

[Eclipse]

In regards to the above post, I agree. If you wanted to ask if there were any changes in 2.0 for Paladin or Dragoon you probably should have reworded it.

Since you didn't ask without inferring that those two jobs are inferior:
The responses are not going to feed into a productive conversation revolving around the possibility of change or evolution in these jobs. Instead the responses have been focused on your mind set in regards to the jobs and how they are or are not useful or utilized.

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As it currently stands there are only a few niche boss encounters where PLD's are better utilized than WAR, and almost no conceivable situation that DRG is preferred over anything.

Hello Mijin,
This statement makes me wonder how you have been experiencing end game content. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it seems that you have encountered very narrow minded points of view.

Paladin is an extremely useful tank. We utilize Paladin in every single end game venture we do.
- Chimera
- Garuda
- Moogle
- Cutter's Cry
- Aurum Vale
- Dzmael Darkhold
- Missions
- Skirmish
- Hamlet

As for Dragoons one of my LS Dragoon members is more capable on his Dragoon at putting out damage consistently than many Warriors I know. We ran a parser.
- Garuda (Plume Duty)
- Cutters Cry - Myradon Princess (Baby ant duty.)
- Missions
- Skirmish
- Aurum Vale
- Dzmael Darkhold
- Hamlet

Our WAR's and MNK's are normally utilized specifically for DD only. Though there are some really fun tactics to utilize them with as well, especially in Skirmish, Moogle and United We Stand.

Consider that there is another factor, player skill and gear. If you are not skilled at playing the job or are not properly geared, well it is easier to notice that difference on some jobs more than others.

There is also the possibility that whomever is asking you to go as a certain job may feel that you play it better than the other. I request that of my shell members all the time because I know what their strengths are and I trust them to perform on a certain level when I do that.

Sure there is job bias, always will be. There will be that one golden job that people think is the end all for any and all content. That is a very singular point of view and can really restrict a player on how to complete their objectives.

Perhaps you should be questioning the culture of your server or Linkshell rather then the strengths and usefulness of the Jobs.

[Mijin]

I will provide just as many parses (where you are present) and videos (where you are present) that you have.... zero

I was being hypothetical, I wasn't suggesting we should exchange evidence. I personally don't save parse logs I would assume you don't either and the only videos I have are of random things. I was just saying that you seem like the type of person who even if I had undeniable evidence to show you, you still wouldn't change your mind.

Hello Mijin,
This statement makes me wonder how you have been experiencing end game content. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it seems that you have encountered very narrow minded points of view.

Well to be honest more than just my own personal experience, the general consensus of the elitist players who I've ever talked will be the first to say that drg sucks, pld good for something but most cases war is better.

I usually am not so open to share an opinion unless I have reputable people in agreement with me. The reflection of peoples opinions on the forums is usually not necessarily the opinion of the hard core end game community because more casuals post here than anything else.

[Denmo]

I was just saying that you seem like the type of person who even if I had undeniable evidence to show you, you still wouldn't change your mind.

I DEMAND PROOF.

[Doho]

i don't think you and I are playing the same game OP. PLD and DRG have proven their usefulness time and time again. Not trying to brag, but you should see this guy (/me) in action. (/flex)

[Arkine]

Yep, doing things the easy way is for stupid people.
I cut trees down with a fish because using a chainsaw is stupid.