"The Adventures of RNG!" Top 3 Hamlet Provisioner

[Krausus]

So basically, 'mid-cores' don't even bother with Top 3 because unless you can spend a day, it's not worth it? You all realize that that sounds obsurd from the standpoint that Top 3 should SPEED up the process.

1. In a DAY of time, I could basically make sure ONE person in the party got 3/3 on seals w/o having a top 20 in the group. Heck, a day of time probably=3 people 3/3 on seals without a provisioner.

The attitude of 'too bad you didn't spend 6+ hours grinding hamlets to get one person 3/3 AFTER you spent several hours as a group grinding gathering and crafting to get them a higher drop % is wrong. The whole point of 'Top 3' should be 'it helps speed the process for the group that supported you' not for an individual.

2. Assuming you do a 20 min run:
20 mins+15min cool down= 35 mins per run
35minsx12 runs= 420mins or 7 hours worth of runs.

That is almost a full-time job worth of hours. So, again it is reasonable for Scy to assume that for all our gathering/crafting effort behind the scenes (which took more time btw), he could have walked away with at least 2 seals.

Scytale wasn't whining that he didn't get seals... he was pointing out that after all the work involved in getting a Top 3 slot, which on our server is still well over a Million in turn-ins...he expected better results. Top 3 provisioner should help those who have less time to grind not more.

To Midcores: If it really is only a 25% drop rate for #3...either work even harder and get #1....or say screw it and just keep grinding w/o a provisioner...unless someone wants a special gear drop I guess. But considering we got more drops in the party loot than in the Top 3 provisioners loot, well we could have gotten Scy 3/3 last night just on normal drops.

But yeah, thanks once again forums for the snubbing of the midcores...makes perfect sense. Most people, don't play this game for 6+hours a day. We've accepted that means it takes us longer to do things. But at the same time, doing extra work to 'quicken' the process, should ACTUALLY quicken the process.

Again just to reiterate even if EVERY clear=one seal to the party
8 party members x 9 seals=72 runs

72 runsx 35 mins=2520 mins or (42 hours)...

currently, I have about 100 hamlet clears...and 3/9 seals...so yeah, it's safe to say I've ALREADY spent 50+ hours doing this...Scy has spent maybe 70...but yeah, nothing wrong with it.

Relics require serious dedication and time. Those not willing to dedicate themselves to said time synch dont deserve a Relic.


PS: If people really want to shorten the time it takes to get seals then they need to work in a static and dump seals on to one person, that is the only way to get things done in a short amount of time.

[Velhart]

Relics require serious dedication and time. Those not willing to dedicate themselves to said time synch dont deserve a Relic.


PS: If people really want to shorten the time it takes to get seals then they need to work in a static and dump seals on to one person, that is the only way to get things done in a short amount of time.

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

[TheVedis]

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

you DO NOT need top 20s or top 3s to get past this part, they just make getting a 60k score for the best drop easier
you can easily get a 60k score without one, just requires skill(yes skill, you heard me) which ALOT of people lack

so if you "need" one, you lack the skill, plain and simple, to do without

and 50k vs 60k seal drop rate isnt too much different


the main point the op originaly made was that he was complaining about how he didnt feel his contribution was worth it to donate cuz he didnt have time to play

it had nothing to do with the drop rates really, they didnt have time to really do runs to get a real drop rate going
it had everything to do with the lack of time they had to play, and their complaint that its unfair because they dont have more time
SE cant give them more time, only make it easier, they DO NOT need to make it easier though, therefore, its a personal issue

[Krausus]

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

Hamlet isnt even the hard part, sure its a time synch but its not like the only reward is seals, also that time synch can be shortened if done correctly. To many people are under the impression that once they get past the hamlet hurdle then its a cake walk from there. 17 min CC and AV speed runs are gonna stop a lot of people in their tracks, I predict a month or 2 from now thats gonna be one of the biggest complaints, then after that you have to do extremely hard faction leves (said to be even harder then getting 17 min AV/CC runs). then you get to look forward to extreme Ifrit and garuda. You know how many LS's can not even get past Garuda let alone Extreme Ifrit.

edit: also top 20 is not needed at all as long as you get 60K points there is a pretty decent drop rate on seals, Im not even sure if top 20 increases this at all, top 3 is the only thing for sure that increases chances because being in top 3 gets that person an extra chest to loot

[Quicksilver]

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

Exactly this.

The people who want a relic are most likely fine with dedicating 6 months to a year of their time to work towards it. However, the Hamlet system works in a manner that makes opening the actual quest nigh on impossible to someone who can't dedicate the majority of their day sitting slaving away at it.

People have jobs, education, loved ones and leisure activities. We know this because SE have the audacity to put a message on the login screen asking us not to forget them - and then introduces a system that means you basically have to.

To the people that have less or no commitment? Fine, they get their relics much faster, that's the way it should be. However, as it stands, most people are too disillusioned to even try.

[TheVedis]

Exactly this.

The people who want a relic are most likely fine with dedicating 6 months to a year of their time to work towards it. However, the Hamlet system works in a manner that makes opening the actual quest nigh on impossible to someone who can't dedicate the majority of their day sitting slaving away at it.

People have jobs, education, loved ones and leisure activities. We know this because SE have the audacity to put a message on the login screen asking us not to forget them - and then introduces a system that means you basically have to.

To the people that have less or no commitment? Fine, they get their relics much faster, that's the way it should be. However, as it stands, most people are too disillusioned to even try.

and thats fine though

if you do not have the time to do it, then dont do it
or portion your time to work on it little by little

BUT, dont sit back and complain and petition the system to change because of your real life commitments


i work a full time job
i have a kid
i have a gf
i have sports leagues im part of

i still go into hamlet 12-16 hours a week, i have my seals, im helping others get them


if you want to make time you will is what it comes down to, if you dont, then you dont

[Quicksilver]

you DO NOT need top 20s or top 3s to get past this part, they just make getting a 60k score for the best drop easier
you can easily get a 60k score without one, just requires skill(yes skill, you heard me) which ALOT of people lack

so if you "need" one, you lack the skill, plain and simple, to do without

and 50k vs 60k seal drop rate isnt too much different


the main point the op originaly made was that he was complaining about how he didnt feel his contribution was worth it to donate cuz he didnt have time to play

it had nothing to do with the drop rates really, they didnt have time to really do runs to get a real drop rate going
it had everything to do with the lack of time they had to play, and their complaint that its unfair because they dont have more time
SE cant give them more time, only make it easier, they DO NOT need to make it easier though, therefore, its a personal issue

Your concept of "time" scares me greatly.

Your responses are *exactly* the same every time, no matter what anyone says. SE can't give people more time, but they can damn well introduce content that doesn't require 6+ hours of it in one sitting.

What I don't understand is that a token system benefits everyone. Hardcore's get progress faster by the virtue of getting more of them, casual's feel like they have a tangible goal to work towards. The system as it is just punishes people for not playing for X amount of time. This is always SEs problem, they never reward people for doing things. They punish them for not doing it. (Hi2U speed runs)

[Krausus]

Exactly this.

The people who want a relic are most likely fine with dedicating 6 months to a year of their time to work towards it. However, the Hamlet system works in a manner that makes opening the actual quest nigh on impossible to someone who can't dedicate the majority of their day sitting slaving away at it.

People have jobs, education, loved ones and leisure activities. We know this because SE have the audacity to put a message on the login screen asking us not to forget them - and then introduces a system that means you basically have to.

To the people that have less or no commitment? Fine, they get their relics much faster, that's the way it should be. However, as it stands, most people are too disillusioned to even try.

3/9 full time job, family, only log in every other day, and do hamlets like maybe once or twice a week if that. And my groups dont even stack seals on people, hell I have even given away 2 seals that have dropped to me. We dont do top 20 provisoner either, we have a handful of people already done with this step and working on speed runs. If we had done a static and all worked together to stack seals on each other then a lot more of us would have been done. People expecting to get this done in a few days while playing casually are kidding themselves and they shouldn't be able to.

[Velhart]

you DO NOT need top 20s or top 3s to get past this part, they just make getting a 60k score for the best drop easier
you can easily get a 60k score without one, just requires skill(yes skill, you heard me) which ALOT of people lack

so if you "need" one, you lack the skill, plain and simple, to do without

and 50k vs 60k seal drop rate isnt too much different


the main point the op originaly made was that he was complaining about how he didnt feel his contribution was worth it to donate cuz he didnt have time to play

it had nothing to do with the drop rates really, they didnt have time to really do runs to get a real drop rate going
it had everything to do with the lack of time they had to play, and their complaint that its unfair because they dont have more time
SE cant give them more time, only make it easier, they DO NOT need to make it easier though, therefore, its a personal issue

Hamlet isnt even the hard part, sure its a time synch but its not like the only reward is seals, also that time synch can be shortened if done correctly. To many people are under the impression that once they get past the hamlet hurdle then its a cake walk from there. 17 min CC and AV speed runs are gonna stop a lot of people in their tracks, I predict a month or 2 from now thats gonna be one of the biggest complaints, then after that you have to do extremely hard faction leves (said to be even harder then getting 17 min AV/CC runs). then you get to look forward to extreme Ifrit and garuda. You know how many LS's can not even get past Garuda let alone Extreme Ifrit.

edit: also top 20 is not needed at all as long as you get 60K points there is a pretty decent drop rate on seals, Im not even sure if top 20 increases this at all, top 3 is the only thing for sure that increases chances because being in top 3 gets that person an extra chest to loot

I never said it was a requirement, nor did I give an actual opinion on the matter. Simply speaking in general here. I never spoke of it's difficulty either. Someone who is actually complaining about the difficulty of the quest only means that SE did something right. Relics should not just sit there waiting to be obtained by anyone. I am glad these portions of the quests are in, despite how a pain in the ass some of them are (Looking at you, Ifrit!), but it is fair and somewhat balanced for the most part.

[TheVedis]

Your concept of "time" scares me greatly.

Your responses are *exactly* the same every time, no matter what anyone says. SE can't give people more time, but they can damn well introduce content that doesn't require 6+ hours of it in one sitting.

What I don't understand is that a token system benefits everyone. Hardcore's get progress faster by the virtue of getting more of them, casual's feel like they have a tangible goal to work towards. The system as it is just punishes people for not playing for X amount of time. This is always SEs problem, they never reward people for doing things. They punish them for not doing it. (Hi2U speed runs)

they DO give us content that doesnt take tons of time

they introduce nothing but it for the most part

they introduce 1 thing that takes longer and people blow up over it

seriously, if you think this game lacks short content, you have an issue


and my responses being the same? of course they are, i speak truth in what i say, i use logic

alot of you do the same thing with same responses, but you use blind rage because you feel slighted by something that you DO NOT LIKE. you dont have time, therefore they must make you get it faster
they make a drop rate low, well not good enough , raise it

alot of the responses people seem to give me are the same, they do not like the content therefore it must be changed to suit their personal needs, they want want want everything, and if they cant have it and quickly, something is wrong with the game

prove that isnt what people are whining about, it cant be done, because in the end, thats what it all comes down to, people want things faster