Curtana :(

[PiedPiper]

Also, consider the fact that there is only one fight (Princess) where you need an off tank and I wouldn't be surprised if pug or lnc could tank the add.

Just as a side note... you don't actually NEED an off tank for Princess. We run PLD WHM BLM DRGx5 (sometimes one MNK) on the princess fight and I (the PLD) have no problem surviving without using Hallowed (I don't have it up anyway since i go WAR for the first rooms). To be clear: I tank both the Princess and the Marshal. And I'm not super built for def/vit either, only 710 and 305 (numbers before protect). I just use DV then Sent once marshal is on me, boon after sent, and... princess is dead. Granted this probably only works in groups with very good DD's, as the longer I stand there the more time I'd spend "naked" without cool downs and probably get eaten.

As to the larger topic of the thread. Dude. Accuracy. Its awesome. Cry more. I rock 182 enmity, and honestly, Curtana will more than make up for the 30 I'd lose in the switch (Garuda/Thoromen's) in just the damage, dps, and spirits boost alone, much less the mp and accuracy.

After reading your post our tank tried to swap around his gear set to get more str.

He gained +74 STR, which should be +60 per WS right?

His Flat blade went from 15 (HDL gauntlet, VIT allocation) to 20-22 (STR gloves, STR allocation).

Something is wrong with that formula, or it doesn't account for the defenses of such mobs as Chimera but he gained roughly 6 damage, not 60 unless Chimera has an inherent -90% physical damage taken. BRD also does really really pitiful damage on him too, and raising to stat caps doesn't help some WS's at all such as Gloom arrow it seems.

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Tank tried one more time at +124 STR and flat blades still in 20-24 range.

He said spirits rose a lot, however, just not Flat Blade.

I would really like to see this addressed by the "wear more str/mnd as PLD" camp, because I've had similar experiences boosting my str from a dismal 229 to 310. As someone else mentioned, I was told that MND pumps Spirits and enmity combo, so I actually maintain 304 Mind and suspect the tank mentioned here has a similar amount (just considering that pieces like HDL gloves and Militia hat give mnd). I'm not saying I don't believe in "DD PLD" i'm just not... entirely sold on the numbers?

[Judge_Xero]

I would really like to see this addressed by the "wear more str/mnd as PLD" camp, because I've had similar experiences boosting my str from a dismal 229 to 310. As someone else mentioned, I was told that MND pumps Spirits and enmity combo, so I actually maintain 304 Mind and suspect the tank mentioned here has a similar amount (just considering that pieces like HDL gloves and Militia hat give mnd). I'm not saying I don't believe in "DD PLD" i'm just not... entirely sold on the numbers?

Chimera does have very high defense. So a straight DD tank will have a tough time with it, especially building the initial Enmity before everyone starts in.

What you need to consider is capping both STR and MND. You can get into the 30+ Damage range on Flat blade combo with a high DPS weapon.

With the Multiplier increase and damage from MND + extra damge from STR, you can generate 221+ ENM, 3-5 times a minute.

With just the low base stats with you will be generating around 83 ENM, 3-5 times per minute
(these are without Sentinel)

But on the flip side, you have other non damage skills that can benefit from ENM+.
So Taunt and Flash, etc. Which with 200+ ENM will get you around an extra 20% ENM on top of what they generate, every minute.

So add it all together (worst case scenario 3 Flat Blade Combos)
STR+MND, Taunt+Provoke (1000 ENM) Damage Delt (663 ENM) Total 1663
ENM + , Taunt+Provoke (1200) Damage Delt (249 ENM+20% = 299) Total 1499

The damage may seem insignificant, but it adds up, as does your ENM generated

On a side note: A great starter for Chimera is Sentinel, Aegis Boon, Phalanx, Bloodbath, Spirits Within, Holy Succor. You will have to get quite a bit of hate and self heals in before that first WHM tops you off for 1k HP, then you can just continue your normal rotation.

[PiedPiper]

Chimera does have very high defense. So a straight DD tank will have a tough time with it, especially building the initial Enmity before everyone starts in.

What you need to consider is capping both STR and MND. You can get into the 30+ Damage range on Flat blade combo with a high DPS weapon.

With the Multiplier increase and damage from MND + extra damge from STR, you can generate 221+ ENM, 3-5 times a minute.

With just the low base stats with you will be generating around 83 ENM, 3-5 times per minute
(these are without Sentinel)

But on the flip side, you have other non damage skills that can benefit from ENM+.
So Taunt and Flash, etc. Which with 200+ ENM will get you around an extra 20% ENM on top of what they generate, every minute.

So add it all together (worst case scenario 3 Flat Blade Combos)
STR+MND, Taunt+Provoke (1000 ENM) Damage Delt (663 ENM) Total 1663
ENM + , Taunt+Provoke (1200) Damage Delt (249 ENM+20% = 299) Total 1499

The damage may seem insignificant, but it adds up, as does your ENM generated

On a side note: A great starter for Chimera is Sentinel, Aegis Boon, Phalanx, Bloodbath, Spirits Within, Holy Succor. You will have to get quite a bit of hate and self heals in before that first WHM tops you off for 1k HP, then you can just continue your normal rotation.

Hmm, well with just mind cap and a high dps weapon, I am already in that 30ish range on Chim. My auto attack damage is really light though, but, meh. I think we really need to look at some parses and enmity per second calculations to see if we can start coming up with genuinely comparative data. I got a good miser parse tonight, should get chime later in the week, will post both as the "enmity/mind" camp example.

[Judge_Xero]

Hmm, well with just mind cap and a high dps weapon, I am already in that 30ish range on Chim. My auto attack damage is really light though, but, meh. I think we really need to look at some parses and enmity per second calculations to see if we can start coming up with genuinely comparative data. I got a good miser parse tonight, should get chime later in the week, will post both as the "enmity/mind" camp example.

No, there can only be 2 camps. ENM+ VS. DD
None of this, ENM + MND stuff.

Looking forward to seeing your results. Might need to start a new thread though. This "Curtana " thread is so far off topic now. Don't want those new up and coming PLD's missing out on all these discussions.

[PiedPiper]

No, there can only be 2 camps. ENM+ VS. DD
None of this, ENM + MND stuff.

Looking forward to seeing your results. Might need to start a new thread though. This "Curtana " thread is so far off topic now. Don't want those new up and coming PLD's missing out on all these discussions.

No, this is a strong differecne between saying STR/MIND vs ENM>MIND because these stats compete with each other in terms of slot realestate. Raw DD is very different than specificly boosting enmity and the abilities with the enmity modifier. The slot where this is clearest is hands: Heavy Darklight Gauntlets vs say 40 or 50 str cobalt/sent.