Linux

[Delsus]

Yeah, Windows is kind of a dick when it comes to overwriting other bootloaders.

Well Windows is just a dick all the time, but yeah I know what you mean

[Soukyuu]

6. Have fun at very slow performance (GTX460 3000[win] points vs 600[wine] points [ffxiv benchmark], and thats why a OpenGL client would help..)

Uhm.. thank you for taking your time to write down the steps, but I'm not really serious about getting it to run, especially because of the reason I quoted above. It was just an experiment to see if it works out of the box.

I have done most of it already though, except 1. and 2. I only use linux for programming and other university stuff, so my partition is quite small. And I'm happier with win7 UI than I am with what linux can offer me so far.

Still, I'd love to see a native linux client. Would give me more reasons to dump M$ once win7 becomes obsolete (lolWin8)

[KoKuToru]

And I'm happier with win7 UI than I am with what linux can offer me so far.

Thats what you get for using Ubuntu.. lol .. Ubuntu used to be nice..

especially because of the reason I quoted above

Yeah it's too bad.. I am actually trying to find out whats up.
The biggest mistery is that a GT430 and a GTX460 have same peformance at FFXIV with wine.
I believe the render-targets eat up a lot of performance.
When you check how many times wine changes the FBO.. and it's ID's
You can see that it uses the same render-target multiply times for 1 frame.
Which I believe kills the performance, because the FBO will stall..
But probably the biggest biggest mistery is.. Wireframe or not, doesn't matter ... same performance (probably because the FBO gets reused).
Something is really wrong here.. Haven't found the cause yet (I am myself a pretty experienced porgrammer, with some little opengl/wine-hacks I could boost my performance from 8fps to 15fps [made it playable for me..])

I believe when I find the problem.. the performance of the GTX460 should speed up by at least 4 times.
Because it makes really no sense that a GT430 has same speed as GTX460 ! Something is blocking here..

[Soukyuu]

Thats what you get for using Ubuntu.. lol .. Ubuntu used to be nice..

Eh, unity isn't bad in it's 12.04 version and actually replicates win7 quite well. Now if it had more config options and didn't have those sporadic redraw issues...

Other than that I used gentoo (which was lots of fun, learned a lot about linux) and fedora (that one is kinda weird cause they're doing some things differently).

When I said I don't like linux GUI, I meant i don't like KDE (dolphin is eww), gnome3 (one app on a screen, "taskbar" always hidden) or XFCE (it feels kinda unfinished). I tried messing with e17 too, but somehow everything looks too overloaded and overly flashy.

Gnome2 was fine, but it's not supported anymore afaik and I got used to having my taksbar on the left, so that also kills LXDE and XFCE in that sense.

Yes, I am picky and windows isn't perfect either :P

[Huginn]

WINE is extremely unreliable when it comes to network from my experience. For example, I just set everything up on ubuntu 12.04 and I am only getting network access when starting the program via command prompt, but not if I launch the exe directly.

And in case of ffxivboot, it fails it's version check no matter how I start it. It might be because I'm launching it from an NTFS partition, idk.

i am sorry to hear that. the last ubuntu variant i used with it is 11.10 do you have winhttp and ie8 installed? have you tried WINETricks?

[Huginn]

All in all, i do not think that the devs are going to have time to get a linux version working for 2.0 launch, but it would be nice to see in the future. we worked really hard on FFXI and for the last three years that i played it seriously (ending about this time last year) i played it exclusively in linux and it ran MUCH better than in windows, with the exception of shadows. many people worked hard on FFXIV and it is funtional and playable, though currently not anywhere near what i have seen in windows7. That being said, it has come a long way from .5-3frames per second to the current 15-28 frames per second.

I do not understand the opposition to the idea of SE releasing a linux client. How would it effect you if i were able to play in my preferred OS? and if it were released on Mac, well, that would be tantamount to releasing it covertly for linux, so long as they didnt try to lock it down too hard.

as for first person shooters vs MMOs on linux, it is the general playerbase for linux, we do not normally require the handholding that a large minority of windows and mac users require and whine about when they dont get it. true it is probably only 10% of the players who are users and not techs/admins, but not helping them step by step would kill a game. the percentage of funtioning linux gamers that want handholding is much lower, though there are those who think it makes them cooler to use linux but downt want to learn.

I would just like to see it be a little easier, it is not like we are pirating the game or cheating, code injecting or anything like that. we just want the extra locks taken off of the steering wheel.

[Delsus]

All in all, i do not think that the devs are going to have time to get a linux version working for 2.0 launch, but it would be nice to see in the future. we worked really hard on FFXI and for the last three years that i played it seriously (ending about this time last year) i played it exclusively in linux and it ran MUCH better than in windows, with the exception of shadows. many people worked hard on FFXIV and it is funtional and playable, though currently not anywhere near what i have seen in windows7. That being said, it has come a long way from .5-3frames per second to the current 15-28 frames per second.

I do not understand the opposition to the idea of SE releasing a linux client. How would it effect you if i were able to play in my preferred OS? and if it were released on Mac, well, that would be tantamount to releasing it covertly for linux, so long as they didnt try to lock it down too hard.

as for first person shooters vs MMOs on linux, it is the general playerbase for linux, we do not normally require the handholding that a large minority of windows and mac users require and whine about when they dont get it. true it is probably only 10% of the players who are users and not techs/admins, but not helping them step by step would kill a game. the percentage of funtioning linux gamers that want handholding is much lower, though there are those who think it makes them cooler to use linux but downt want to learn.

I would just like to see it be a little easier, it is not like we are pirating the game or cheating, code injecting or anything like that. we just want the extra locks taken off of the steering wheel.

Wow, I agree with all this 110% you hit all the nails on the head.

I think it would be best if SE can get all gamers on all possible platforms to get as many customers as possible.

[Allcars]

I think there should be more options windows 7 is nice and all but the future of windows being windows 8 looks awful, that tile UI makes me want to smash everything in my room! The fact that most versions of Linux are free and open-source really makes me want to jump shit but being a big gamer that is going to be really tough because I don't really like wine.

With a large market of smart phones all using OpenGL and with each generation of smart phone the better the graphics and more robust OpenGL gets I could see it one day passing DirectX.

I would like to stop supporting corporate control over our computers and lives. This is a step in the right direction in my eyes.

Here is an interview with Gabe Newell he hate windows 8 http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/25/31...ws-8-interview

[Molly_Millions]

I think Final Fantasy XIV should be ported over to Linux sometime after 2.0. Why? There are very few games made to work with it without the need of another program to emulate it. It would open up the opportunity to get more players in the game!

Do you guys think there is a chance of Square Enix doing this?

yes, lets get all 10 linux gamers to play this game! that will be worth the dev time!

[Allcars]

yes, lets get all 10 linux gamers to play this game! that will be worth the dev time!

I would say if there are more games on linux there would be more gamers, if you didn't have to pay for your os and it did everything you wanted. Wouldn't you use that over something that cost 200 bucks? They do pretty much the same thing?

The port really wouldn't be all that hard I'm sure the ffxiv engine for the ps3 uses OpenGL.

I don't care if it launches on linux for 2.0 but in the future after SE is turning a profit it wouldn't be a bad thing.