FFXI Dragoon No invites repeated

[Hyrist]

Immature reaction to my post:

wow really i mean comon, your just ridding coat tails now. i wasnt the one who compared it to a job first i was just giving amy i better example similar to what she posted. you may not have noticed this but really your insulting amy not me but w/e not like we play on the same server anyways or that i care that you "dont want to play with me" bcz guess what this isnt kindergarden and no you dont have all the cookies.

Mature reaction to my post:

I'm not insulted, don't speak for me and Hyrist has a valid point of view on the subject, albeit taking the examples a little too literally.

Malix, you took my statement personally, and I apologize. The usage of the word 'you' was a general sense, not a personal attack.

However, on the subject of 'cookies'. I'm not interested in the cookies. I'm interested in the company I keep. That's the standard I run by.

I'd rather still be working towards loot with a group of friends that I enjoy playing with in spite of our losses, then sitting here in Quad Melds, Darklight and a Relic weapon by keeping company with people who tick me off, but are good at the game. Ultimately, when I'm done with this game, what I'll be left with is memories, not the loot. While I'm still playing, the items that I obtain will be either enriched or tainted by those memories of obtaining them and using them. A Darklight obtained by a run that pissed me off will always look dirty to me. Where as a chance item that was won by blind luck with friends I enjoy, but may even have been holding me and others back will feel all the more triumphant.

I enjoy the challenge of imperfection. I also enjoy the personal interaction with my friends and LS mates as we work together to improve each as individuals with our own goals and desires.

I'm almost going to regret putting down my Hart +1 when I get something superior, and I'll probably bust a few more of them trying to make an Epic Hart +1 with a bunch of crazy melds on it, just to play around with occasionally and hang up in my House once we get weapon's racks and housing in 2.0.

So, back on topic. The craze of people who want to rush for loot, to me, have their priorities different than I do. I view those priorities as skewed away from what you should value as a human being, but I do not begrudge them for it. I'm content to wait until I find someone more accepting, or even of similar views to my own.

In the meanwhile, I continue to do what I can to improve myself until the opportunity knocks. Plenty of materia in the game to detonate, after all.

[Eliseus]

Oh boy, no wonder some of you don't get invited as DRG.

[Malix]

No, I said Melee works and I gave you my example. I also quoted Velhart's set up since it's all MNK and it's an even better example to my point.
Also, I fail to see how the first sentence is insulting to me. I wasn't the one who brought up employment.

i can see melee working forgot to take into account he had warriors for the adds i guess. and you did bring up the employment thing. remember when you said and i Quote "No, this is more along the lines of "Oh, you want to work for me? Oh, I'm sorry you're black. I don't hire blacks.""
. all i did was change what u said to make it more practical to the situation but YOU are the one that compared it to hiring process of a job.

[AmyNeudaiz]

i can see melee working forgot to take into account he had warriors for the adds i guess. and you did bring up the employment thing. remember when you said and i Quote "No, this is more along the lines of "Oh, you want to work for me? Oh, I'm sorry you're black. I don't hire blacks.""
. all i did was change what u said to make it more practical to the situation but YOU are the one that compared it to hiring process of a job.

I said that in reply to this.

Uhh, what?

You get hired for a job. The boss tells you what you need to do, because he runs the place. You don't like it. So what do you do? You either deal with it, go find a job that caters to you, or start your own business where you can make your own rules.

Is this the analogy you were looking for?

Like I said, not the one who brought it up. My analogy was in reply to another analogy.
Are you blind?

And why are you even arguing this??? Like seriously dude you gotta be the worst troll ever.

[Eliseus]

I said that in reply to this.



Like I said, not the one who brought it up. My analogy was in reply to another analogy.
Are you blind?

And why are you even arguing this??? Like seriously dude you gotta be the worst troll ever.

The troll calling someone else the worst troll ever while being trolled?

[Churchill]

You can't really stick to a one job mentality in a game where your character can play any job. The game is designed and balanced around that fact, and certain fights will always have some jobs perform better.

If you were allotted one job, the roles would be much more defined and you would get less jobs. (What's the point in having 20 jobs if 6 get the job done, a question you can even ask in a game where you can level any job)

Is BLM/THM the best way to do Ifrit(Hard)? Not really, it is safe though.

If you do prefer to have one job, you limit the content you can participate in and limit the availability of that content to you. If a group has all the DD's it needs and requires a BRD then you're unable to participate. If you want to PUG Hamlet, most people require the DOH/DOL jobs.

[Chardrizard]

Hi, you appear to not understand how the FFXIV community works nor do you appear to understand how people work.
This can be compared to (but not equatable to by far) sexism. "If you don't like that you can't vote, move to a different country."
Now you have something to base how others view discrimination of varying degrees, have a good day.

Your example is horrible, nobody ask you to leave FFXIV because you want to go DRG.


Here, if i setup a party in my house with a formal dresscode, i fully expect people to dress formally and not in pajamas.

If you want a pajamas party then setup one yourself because nobody says you can't wear pajamas in this neighborhood, it's just not welcome in my party and you have no right to be shittalking my party just because you do not like the formal dresscode rules.

[AmyNeudaiz]

Your example is horrible, nobody ask you to leave FFXIV because you want to go DRG.


Here, if i setup a party in my house with a formal dresscode, i fully expect people to dress formally and not in pajamas.

If you want a pajamas party then setup one yourself because nobody says you can't wear pajamas in this neighborhood, it's just not welcome in my party and you have no right to be shittalking my party just because you do not like the formal dresscode rules.

<---- (this is the point)
O (this is your head)

In case you don't understand this, http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+over+head it's the second definition.
Seriously is it that hard to not nit pick an analogy?

[Hyrist]

You can't really stick to a one job mentality in a game where your character can play any job. The game is designed and balanced around that fact, and certain fights will always have some jobs perform better.

Actually, currently, the game is designed around the concept of creating a challenging yet winnable fight with 1 of each current job in the party plus a flex spot. That's how the actual designers of the game balance and play-test the game.

This is evidenced in their Howling Eye Trailer.

So yes, it's very possible that you can stick to one Class in this game and be successful. (Albeit, slower.)Will there always be better classes for specific fights? Sure, but that's irrelevant to the fact that the fights are conquerable with a varied set up. Being denied content is due to job saturation and player efficiency obsessions, which usually end up as a false pretense anyways. It's a player issue, not a design issue.

A competent, geared DRG will out-damage an incompetent or under-geared BLM in most cases regardless of context. The issue is of course people are tossing out invites before meeting or knowing the persons in question - thus is the dangers of PUGs to begin with.


I do not consider DoL&H to be full on classes in their own right for battle combat, Hamlet being an exception. The content for the most part for those sections are exclusive of each other. Having them is beneficial as much to those who stick with single combat classes as multiple.

I'm well aware of the mentality of Pick Up Groups. But the concept behind them is efficiently obsessed to the point of exploitation, if they can reach it. BLMs and Garuda were the perfect example before that was patched. Even Chimera was adjusted to make it more difficult for non-melees.

Issues with party invites, however, should fall by the wayside with Content Finder if it operates properly, which makes this conversation moot.

[Churchill]

We aren't, or I'm not, arguing efficiency or situational choices (being, shit BLM vs awesome DRG)

If you have one job, you limit your availability. If you only play DRG, and your group has 4 other DD's, then someone will always be sitting, especially if they have limited jobs as well. This can be compounded by the fact you may not be as good as someone else and sit even more. I would personally rather participate than play one class; especially true for PUG events as DD spots are usually limited when those are formed.