In-game marriage, will it make a return?

[Rannie]

There is a difference between "Fixing" and "Implementing" something against your beliefs because others "Demand" it.
You can say "No" and still find a way to make people happy. What is a few people lost to the millions that may come in to the game because SE said "No" to a few?

You act as though SE "OWES" you this, they don't. Again, you're going by the "America is almost accepting of this so Japan should do the same."

Uhmmmm no that's not my stand point at all. I'm speaking as someone who works in customer service and knows how a business thinks and acts. Again I said we can TRY to do a petition on it. There is nothing wrong with that and if they still refuse then like I we'll have to accept it. It's not harassing a company with asking to see something which from all the posts the majority want to see. There is no harm in a petition there is no harm in asking.

Nor did I say that SE owes us anything as a matter of fact I've stated they've gone above and beyond what any company would have done in their case.

[AsterBarnivere]

Uhmmmm no that's not my stand point at all. I'm speaking as someone who works in customer service and knows how a business thinks and acts. Again I said we can TRY to do a petition on it. There is nothing wrong with that and if they still refuse then like I we'll have to accept it. It's not harassing a company with asking to see something which from all the posts the majority want to see. There is no harm in a petition there is no harm in asking.

you ask for something.

Person says "NO."

You get upset and take it upon yourself to MAKE them give it to you because you won't take "NO" for an answer.

How is that not harassment and pushing your views on someone who clearly told you no the first time?

Reminds me of a rape victim. NO means NO.

All you have to do is be tolerant of their views as they would yours, how hard is that?

Once again I'll Quote myself and add something to it and leave it at that:

Japan's views =/= America's Views (nor yours) and demanding someone to do something despite their views and beliefs is rather selfish.

[Rannie]

you ask for something.

Person says "NO."

You get upset and take it upon yourself to MAKE them give it to you because you won't take "NO" for an answer.

How is that not harassment and pushing your views on someone who clearly told you no the first time?

Reminds me of a rape victim. NO means NO.

All you have to do is be tolerant of their views as they would yours, how hard is that?

*shakes head sadly* kind of like how you're trying to push your idea onto me and make me in the wrong. that's just the same is it not? Again you're trying to say I'm forcing them a petition is not a force

Petition as per dictionary.com noun 1.a formally drawn request, often bearing the names of a number of those making the request, that is addressed to a person or group of persons in authority or power, soliciting some favor, right, mercy, or other benefit: a petition for clemency; a petition for the repeal of an unfair law.



2.a request made for something desired, especially a respectful or humble request, as to a superior or to one of those in authority; a supplication or prayer: a petition for aid; a petition to God for courage and strength.



3. something that is sought by request or entreaty: to receive one's full petition.



4. Law . an application for a court order or for some judicial action.



Where would we be today if woman didn't petition for their rights or for blacks like martin luther king make his petition with his dream that all men would be treated equally and fairly no matter race/color etc.

[AsterBarnivere]

*shakes head sadly* kind of like how you're trying to push your idea onto me and make me in the wrong. that's just the same is it not? Again you're trying to say I'm forcing them a petition is not a force

Petition as per dictionary.com noun 1.a formally drawn request, often bearing the names of a number of those making the request, that is addressed to a person or group of persons in authority or power, soliciting some favor, right, mercy, or other benefit: a petition for clemency; a petition for the repeal of an unfair law.



2.a request made for something desired, especially a respectful or humble request, as to a superior or to one of those in authority; a supplication or prayer: a petition for aid; a petition to God for courage and strength.



3. something that is sought by request or entreaty: to receive one's full petition.



4. Law . an application for a court order or for some judicial action.



Where would we be today if woman didn't petition for their rights or for blacks like martin luther king make his petition with his dream that all men would be treated equally and fairly no matter race/color etc.

Again, your trying to force your views on a COMPANY WHOSE HOUSED IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY WITH ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEWS FROM YOUR OWN. <-- what is it about this that you don't understand?

[Rannie]

Again, your trying to force your views on a COMPANY WHOSE HOUSED IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY WITH ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEWS FROM YOUR OWN. <-- what is it about this that you don't understand?

I know that SE is a Japanese based company. I know the servers are in Japan. There is no need to start yelling cool off and start thinking a little before you get angry. I never once said force. You're the one who continually is saying force. I honestly do not understand why you're getting so upset over the fact that we would like same sex marriages in the game. I know everyone has different beliefs and different ideals, however you're trying to say I'm in the wrong with wanting everyone to be equal within the game. How is equality and fairness wrong? Do you even know the business guidelines that are in Japan. Actually, if a dev could they work more closely with japan. Could you inform us on what the legality for doing these things. We already have an esrb rating of T and we have a place where Mi'quote look and act like whores.

[AsterBarnivere]

I know that SE is a Japanese based company. I know the servers are in Japan. There is no need to start yelling cool off and start thinking a little before you get angry. I never once said force. You're the one who continually is saying force. I honestly do not understand why you're getting so upset over the fact that we would like same sex marriages in the game. I know everyone has different beliefs and different ideals, however you're trying to say I'm in the wrong with wanting everyone to be equal within the game. How is equality and fairness wrong? Do you even know the business guidelines that are in Japan. Actually, if a dev could they work more closely with japan. Could you inform us on what the legality for doing these things. We already have an esrb rating of T and we have a place where Mi'quote look and act like whores.

You know SE is based in Japan yet you keep referencing things that happened in America as if they're some sort of major thing Japan should be concerned about. (Japan isn't America)

There is nothing wrong with equality and fairness but if a company rejects one little demand of same sex marriages, then who are you to go up in arms over their decision and throw up a petition just because they went with their beliefs?

As for business in Japan, they have laws (bans actually) on discrimination regarding sexual orientation (and that's it), homosexuals in Japan still conceal their sexuality there and marry the opposite sex.

As for a game where miqo'te act like whores, you must be unaware of Japan's Red Light District, where they're "Whores" but hold themselves up to a certain standard, but what they portray in the english version of FFXIV doesn't reflect the reality in Japan, you're forgetting that final fantasy is just that FANTASY, and there is a huge difference between a promiscuous-like race in a game, and the real world of Japan.

Now, if SE said no and continued to reject your views on same-sex marriage, would you make SE out to be the bad guy in the end because they followed their views and not yours?

[Rannie]

You know SE is based in Japan yet you keep referencing things that happened in America as if they're some sort of major thing Japan should be concerned about. (Japan isn't America)

There is nothing wrong with equality and fairness but if a company rejects one little demand of same sex marriages, then who are you to go up in arms over their decision and throw up a petition just because they went with their beliefs?

As for business in Japan, they have laws (bans actually) on discrimination regarding sexual orientation (and that's it), homosexuals in Japan still conceal their sexuality there and marry the opposite sex.

As for a game where miqo'te act like whores, you must be unaware of Japan's Red Light District, where they're "Whores" but hold themselves up to a certain standard, but what they portray in the english version of FFXIV doesn't reflect the reality in Japan.

SO what if I refer to things in America. You do as well. You keep saying America has looser views on homosexuality. In reality they still don't I ask you to go anywhere in the southern states of america and tell them you're gay. They'll mostly likely run you out of town because of being deeply religious. Same goes with some places in Northern America as well.

Again you're saying I'm going to go up in arms over it. No I said we, not I, (the ones who would like to have it implemented) could try to petition they're rejection of it. I never said I'd go over there and force them to do it. That's just plain stupid.

As to the whores I was refering to the miquote in the miner's guild who hit on you and tell you they can do it. SE America translated it and maybe did some generalization of it however but still I didn't say it was wrong. I also know about Geisha's and the red light district of Japan.

The laws may be about the human beings themselves but that doesn't stop the japanese companies from making hentai and ecchi games invovling gay and lesbian couples. A lot of gays and lesbians still hide their preferences and marry opposite sex here in America as well. America isn't as liberal as most people think it is. Yes we have some freedom but people still can live in fear of being harmed or humiliated by friends family and coworkers just by them saying they're gay.

I ask that a dev again tell us exactly what the guide lines are for Japan on this if they would be so kind to interject since they correspond with their japanese counter part better than we can.