In-game marriage, will it make a return?

[Scherwiz]

I don't see it happening in this game though I wouldn't say it isn't possible. You got to remember it is still a Japanese game and there maybe other rules that say they cannot have something like that in an MMO. They didn't have it in FFXI, so I wouldn't count on it being added here.

Then it shouldn't be put in game.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Then it shouldn't be put in game.

That's what I am saying it won't be put in the game, unless you mean weddings in general but that is silly to ruin everyone's fun because what you believe differs from what the creators either believe or are not allowed to put into their game. Actually here is some factual information:

Articles 731-737 of the Japanese Civil Code restrict marriage to opposite-sex unions. Same-sex couples are not able to marry, and same-sex couples are not granted rights derived from marriage. Also same-sex marriages performed abroad are not legally recognized in Japan and bi-national same-sex couples cannot obtain a visa for the foreign partner based on their relationship.[10]

Only very recently have they taken small steps towards any sort of change but still is not deemed legal by them.

[AsterBarnivere]

I don't see it happening in this game though I wouldn't say it isn't possible. You got to remember it is still a Japanese game and there maybe other rules that say they cannot have something like that in an MMO. They didn't have it in FFXI, so I wouldn't count on it being added here.

Remember, people follow the logic of:

"This company did it, so that means SE should do it too!" When it's not a matter of Should/shouldn't, the sad truth is that they can't due to political circumstances that they as a company have to abide by. Many just don't seem to understand that and when they immediately see "MARRIAGE" they think, "SE should add this! blah blah! we demand it because were the customers and other companies do it!" Thing is, those other companies are based in AMERICA and SE is in JAPAN where their views are a lot different than ours and their government draws different borders on what is and isn't allowed. And there is a fine line between "the customer is always right" and the laws of the land.

TS;DR: Japan's views =/= America's Views and demanding someone to do something despite their views is rather selfish.

[Rannie]

Actually... here read this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_video_games

[AsterBarnivere]

Actually... here read this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_video_games

It doesn't matter if it was done in video games in general, the fact remains that "Just because other games do it, means SE should do it too" Doesn't mean that they should.
That's like a girl getting pregnant because "Everyone else is doing it too!"
If their views prevent them from doing something like that which is considered "taboo" then don't try to force it on them just because you feel it's right if they did and let them have their say.

If it's such a problem that people have to shove their views down a company's throat even though there are obstacles hindering the company from implementing such a thing, then the idea of player hosted marriages is better, just let SE provide the wedding dresses and tuxes and the community does the rest, because SE is damned if they do and damned if they don't. Unless they make same sex marriages exclusive to just the NA region.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Actually... here read this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_themes_in_video_games

However, homosexuality, while relatively innocuous among celebrities in Japan, can still be considered an oddity due to Japan's regimented and conservative social structure. Despite a lack of strong social stigma, homosexuality in men is commonly misconstrued with transgenderism and transvestism in Japan and open homosexuality is rare, due to conformity.[19]

From your link.

The point is because it is still kinda that "Pink Elephant" in the room for them, it would likely not happen to follow the American trend of acceptance. Unless they go outside of the norm and get it approved.

[Rannie]

It doesn't matter if it was done in video games in general, the fact remains that "Just because other games do it, means SE should do it too" Doesn't mean that they should.
That's like a girl getting pregnant because "Everyone else is doing it too!"
If their views prevent them from doing something like that which is considered "taboo" then don't try to force it on them just because you feel it's right if they did and let them have their say.

But it shouldn't stop us from asking them to try to put it in though or should we just sit back. They're a business and in a business they want to please their customers or do their best to please us. I posted that link just so people would have the facts on what is going on with back up resources for it all. Nothing more nothing less. I still would like to see same sex marriage in the game but if we get told no that's not going to happen then we can try to petition it if petition fails then we have to accept it. It's not going to make me stop playing the game and it sure as all hell isn't going to stop me from playing games created by SE.

[Rannie]

However, homosexuality, while relatively innocuous among celebrities in Japan, can still be considered an oddity due to Japan's regimented and conservative social structure. Despite a lack of strong social stigma, homosexuality in men is commonly misconstrued with transgenderism and transvestism in Japan and open homosexuality is rare, due to conformity.[19]

From your link.

The point is because it is still kinda that "Pink Elephant" in the room for them, it would likely not happen to follow the American trend of acceptance. Unless they go outside of the norm and get it approved.

I know what it says I read it that's why I posted again it shows all aspects of it the good the bad and the ugly. America isn't 100% behind gay marriages yet. From my knowledge now even all states approve of it only a couple. It's like everyone rallying trying to legalize marijuana. The only way that's approved is for medicinal purposes but if you get caught with it and don't have a script by god you're going to jail... now that's not the extremities that america goes to for people wanting to get married however, might I remind everyone about that college student who was gay and ended up killing himself for the harassment and embarrassment he received from a video tape that his room mate did? This happened within the last couple of years I believe in Virginia. Correct me if I'm wrong on that please.

[AsterBarnivere]

But it shouldn't stop us from asking them to try to put it in though or should we just sit back. They're a business and in a business they want to please their customers or do their best to please us. I posted that link just so people would have the facts on what is going on with back up resources for it all. Nothing more nothing less. I still would like to see same sex marriage in the game but if we get told no that's not going to happen then we can try to petition it if petition fails then we have to accept it. It's not going to make me stop playing the game and it sure as all hell isn't going to stop me from playing games created by SE.

If a company says "No" the first time, then don't try to pester them into doing it, let SE have their views and accept them the moment they say "no" And if people have a problem with the word "No" and leave, then they're not as tolerant of a company's views as they would want someone else to be tolerant of theirs.

Trying to harass a company to implement same sex marriage is no different than a straight man harassing a homosexual to be hetero because of his views. If you don't like it, then what makes you think it's okay for you to do the same exact thing to a company with totally different views than your own?

Square Enix might be a "business" but government has power over what those businesses can and can't do, and in the end SE can't please everyone. Live and let live.

[Rannie]

If a company says "No" the first time, then don't try to pester them into doing it, let SE have their views and accept them the moment they say "no" And if people have a problem with the word "No" and leave, then they're not as tolerant of a company's views as they would want someone else to be tolerant of theirs.

I have a question for you do you know or have ever worked in customer service? Second of all Do you think this game would still be around if SE just said NO we're not fixing anything in this game. If you don't like it leave? No they didn't they listened to us took what we said into consideration and made the changes that they could and even more. They have gone above and beyond what any company I have ever done customer support for would have. Free "beta" just until the beginning of this year, the legacy program. They're goal is to make us happy and make us stay with the game so they can get paid. That's what they are in for. I know this because I have to "kiss ass" to every customer I take when they call up complaining about something. I really wish sometimes I could just tell them to go f themselves but the company I work for believes in customer loyalty and that has what has kept the company going since the early 70's. And also yes we still get people who don't like our answers even when we try to placate them and they go above our heads so on and so forth.


quoted from the wiki site


In Japanese popular culture, LGBT men were often considered bishōnen, which translates as "beautiful boys." This was also tied to the success in Japan of comic books and animation with open and subtle LGBT characters. A select genre of adult pornographic Japanese games exist called H-games. This genre includes gay male and gay female subgenres.