In-game marriage, will it make a return?

[AsterBarnivere]

But it shouldn't stop us from asking them to try to put it in though or should we just sit back. They're a business and in a business they want to please their customers or do their best to please us. I posted that link just so people would have the facts on what is going on with back up resources for it all. Nothing more nothing less. I still would like to see same sex marriage in the game but if we get told no that's not going to happen then we can try to petition it if petition fails then we have to accept it. It's not going to make me stop playing the game and it sure as all hell isn't going to stop me from playing games created by SE.

If a company says "No" the first time, then don't try to pester them into doing it, let SE have their views and accept them the moment they say "no" And if people have a problem with the word "No" and leave, then they're not as tolerant of a company's views as they would want someone else to be tolerant of theirs.

Trying to harass a company to implement same sex marriage is no different than a straight man harassing a homosexual to be hetero because of his views. If you don't like it, then what makes you think it's okay for you to do the same exact thing to a company with totally different views than your own?

Square Enix might be a "business" but government has power over what those businesses can and can't do, and in the end SE can't please everyone. Live and let live.

[Rannie]

If a company says "No" the first time, then don't try to pester them into doing it, let SE have their views and accept them the moment they say "no" And if people have a problem with the word "No" and leave, then they're not as tolerant of a company's views as they would want someone else to be tolerant of theirs.

I have a question for you do you know or have ever worked in customer service? Second of all Do you think this game would still be around if SE just said NO we're not fixing anything in this game. If you don't like it leave? No they didn't they listened to us took what we said into consideration and made the changes that they could and even more. They have gone above and beyond what any company I have ever done customer support for would have. Free "beta" just until the beginning of this year, the legacy program. They're goal is to make us happy and make us stay with the game so they can get paid. That's what they are in for. I know this because I have to "kiss ass" to every customer I take when they call up complaining about something. I really wish sometimes I could just tell them to go f themselves but the company I work for believes in customer loyalty and that has what has kept the company going since the early 70's. And also yes we still get people who don't like our answers even when we try to placate them and they go above our heads so on and so forth.


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[AsterBarnivere]

I have a question for you do you know or have ever worked in customer service? Second of all Do you think this game would still be around if SE just said NO we're not fixing anything in this game. If you don't like it leave? No they didn't they listened to us took what we said into consideration and made the changes that they could and even more. They have gone above and beyond what any company I have ever done customer support for would have. Free "beta" just until the beginning of this year, the legacy program. They're goal is to make us happy and make us stay with the game so they can get paid. That's what they are in for. I know this because I have to "kiss ass" to every customer I take when they call up complaining about something. I really wish sometimes I could just tell them to go f themselves but the company I work for believes in customer loyatly and that has what has kept the company going since the early 70's. And also yes we still get people who don't like our answers even when we try to placate them and they go above our heads so on and so forth.

There is a difference between "Fixing" and "Implementing" something against your beliefs because others "Demand" it.
You can say "No" and still find a way to make people happy. What is a few people lost to the millions that may come in to the game because SE said "No" to a few?

You act as though SE "OWES" you this, they don't. Again, you're going by the "America is almost accepting of this so Japan should do the same." You just can't go and try to force a company to do what YOU want because you live in a place accepting of it. Why do you think it's okay to force SE to do something YOU want but hate it when it happens to you?
What makes you think that's okay?

[Rannie]

There is a difference between "Fixing" and "Implementing" something against your beliefs because others "Demand" it.
You can say "No" and still find a way to make people happy. What is a few people lost to the millions that may come in to the game because SE said "No" to a few?

You act as though SE "OWES" you this, they don't. Again, you're going by the "America is almost accepting of this so Japan should do the same."

Uhmmmm no that's not my stand point at all. I'm speaking as someone who works in customer service and knows how a business thinks and acts. Again I said we can TRY to do a petition on it. There is nothing wrong with that and if they still refuse then like I we'll have to accept it. It's not harassing a company with asking to see something which from all the posts the majority want to see. There is no harm in a petition there is no harm in asking.

Nor did I say that SE owes us anything as a matter of fact I've stated they've gone above and beyond what any company would have done in their case.

[AsterBarnivere]

Uhmmmm no that's not my stand point at all. I'm speaking as someone who works in customer service and knows how a business thinks and acts. Again I said we can TRY to do a petition on it. There is nothing wrong with that and if they still refuse then like I we'll have to accept it. It's not harassing a company with asking to see something which from all the posts the majority want to see. There is no harm in a petition there is no harm in asking.

you ask for something.

Person says "NO."

You get upset and take it upon yourself to MAKE them give it to you because you won't take "NO" for an answer.

How is that not harassment and pushing your views on someone who clearly told you no the first time?

Reminds me of a rape victim. NO means NO.

All you have to do is be tolerant of their views as they would yours, how hard is that?

Once again I'll Quote myself and add something to it and leave it at that:

Japan's views =/= America's Views (nor yours) and demanding someone to do something despite their views and beliefs is rather selfish.

[Rannie]

you ask for something.

Person says "NO."

You get upset and take it upon yourself to MAKE them give it to you because you won't take "NO" for an answer.

How is that not harassment and pushing your views on someone who clearly told you no the first time?

Reminds me of a rape victim. NO means NO.

All you have to do is be tolerant of their views as they would yours, how hard is that?

*shakes head sadly* kind of like how you're trying to push your idea onto me and make me in the wrong. that's just the same is it not? Again you're trying to say I'm forcing them a petition is not a force

Petition as per dictionary.com noun 1.a formally drawn request, often bearing the names of a number of those making the request, that is addressed to a person or group of persons in authority or power, soliciting some favor, right, mercy, or other benefit: a petition for clemency; a petition for the repeal of an unfair law.



2.a request made for something desired, especially a respectful or humble request, as to a superior or to one of those in authority; a supplication or prayer: a petition for aid; a petition to God for courage and strength.



3. something that is sought by request or entreaty: to receive one's full petition.



4. Law . an application for a court order or for some judicial action.



Where would we be today if woman didn't petition for their rights or for blacks like martin luther king make his petition with his dream that all men would be treated equally and fairly no matter race/color etc.

[AsterBarnivere]

*shakes head sadly* kind of like how you're trying to push your idea onto me and make me in the wrong. that's just the same is it not? Again you're trying to say I'm forcing them a petition is not a force

Petition as per dictionary.com noun 1.a formally drawn request, often bearing the names of a number of those making the request, that is addressed to a person or group of persons in authority or power, soliciting some favor, right, mercy, or other benefit: a petition for clemency; a petition for the repeal of an unfair law.



2.a request made for something desired, especially a respectful or humble request, as to a superior or to one of those in authority; a supplication or prayer: a petition for aid; a petition to God for courage and strength.



3. something that is sought by request or entreaty: to receive one's full petition.



4. Law . an application for a court order or for some judicial action.



Where would we be today if woman didn't petition for their rights or for blacks like martin luther king make his petition with his dream that all men would be treated equally and fairly no matter race/color etc.

Again, your trying to force your views on a COMPANY WHOSE HOUSED IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY WITH ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEWS FROM YOUR OWN. <-- what is it about this that you don't understand?

[Nabiri]

You act as though SE "OWES" you this, they don't.

I think if SE "owes" us anything it's equality. We should all be treated equally, no special favour given to some over others.
If they can't be fair and treat us all the same then there shouldn't be marriage in game.

But honestly, SE has been very fair with us so far, so I'm not worried about this.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

I think if SE "owes" us anything it's equality. We should all be treated equally, no special favour given to some over others.
If they can't be fair and treat us all the same then there shouldn't be marriage in game.

But honestly, SE has been very fair with us so far, so I'm not worried about this.

The whole point of the argument is it really don't anything to do with fairness or equality. Their views differ from yours and ever if they cater to all countries they have rules they cannot just say "They won't care" and implement something anyways. They cannot simply disregard a set of rules they have to allow something that would make a set group of individuals happy that contradict what they believe in or are allowed to put into a game.

I am not saying it isn't allowed in their game, but I am saying it may not be allowed based on their countries rules and regulations. So if they wanted to be fair about it they would just give us the means to do weddings but wouldn't have their hands in it any more than that and let the players decide how to dictate the online culture.

The problem I have with discussing laws and whatnot in this thread is that they have absolutely no bearing on in-game marriages. A marriage in FFXIV I'd both virtual and not a legal marriage in any sense. It's not legally valid in any state or country. It is a virtual ceremony that pertains only to the game world and has no official bearing in the real world.

You think game companies are allowed to put anything in their games they want? Why do you think games have an ESRB rating amongst other rules in policies they have to follow before the game ever hits the market place? Whether or not you think it doesn't have any bearing on the real world or not that is not the case. They may or may not be able to push something like that into a game because it goes against a code of conduct set by government. Also if that company admits it or not, they may not view same sex marriages as being equal or right and may not want to push that same view onto others. I can't speak for them I can just speculate on the possibilities why it would not be introduced into the game, perhaps it will be and I am totally wrong. Though they never implemented it in FFXI. Just saying...

[Rannie]

The whole point of the argument is it really don't anything to do with fairness or equality. Their views differ from yours and ever if they cater to all countries they have rules they cannot just say "They won't care" and implement something anyways. They cannot simply disregard a set of rules they have to allow something that would make a set group of individuals happy that contradict what they believe in or are allowed to put into a game.

I am not saying it isn't allowed in their game, but I am saying it may not be allowed based on their countries rules and regulations. So if they wanted to be fair about it they would just give us the means to do weddings but wouldn't have their hands in it any more than that and let the players decide how to dictate the online culture.



You think game companies are allowed to put anything in their games they want? Why do you think games have an ESRB rating amongst other rules in policies they have to follow before the game ever hits the market place? Whether or not you think it doesn't have any bearing on the real world or not that is not the case. They may or may not be able to push something like that into a game because it goes against a code of conduct set by government. Also if that company admits it or not, they may not view same sex marriages as being equal or right and may not want to push that same view onto others. I can't speak for them I can just speculate on the possibilities why it would not be introduced into the game, perhaps it will be and I am totally wrong. Though they never implemented it in FFXI. Just saying...

I wish I could find something on this for game design laws and or ratings for Japan and their policies with games so far my google search is coming up with just they (meaning the japanese government) haven't gone up in arms for gay and lesbian couples in games but nothing stating to the effect that they can't allow same sex marriage in a game. I would honestly like to know what the game creation laws are because they're not always the same as what laws are for people in real life.