Not healing Damage Dealers

[Kerwin]

If you have a healer that needs to have another healer watch them and keep them alive. You seriously need to start playing with better players.

Simply priorities. Healers take damage sometimes and you have to learn to adjust. Even for other healers.

[Xianghua]

Simply priorities. Healers take damage sometimes and you have to learn to adjust. Even for other healers.

A healer is far more capable of keeping themselves alive then a Dps is.
Honestly if a healer is taking too much dmg that they need help from another healer? they are most likely doing something wrong.

Seriously if you have 2 healers in the group and both of them can't keep themselves and everyone else in the party alive. They really we need learn how to play. My group runs with 1 whm for most content and she can easily keep the entire party healed and alive without mp issues. There is no excuse 2 whm can't.

I'm not saying DD's should not keep themselves alive and don't need to watch what they are doing because they do. taking unnecessary dmg is a dumb thing to do. But as a whm your job is to keep the entire party alive so they can do their job. Failing to do so only brings the entire party down.

[Niqote]

Dear DD,

Quit sucking so much in Moogle.

Love me.


Seriously though...

Either your party set up has Bards that refuse to AOE Stoneskin in an efficient and organised manner or you are incapable of watching more then one thing at a time and knowing where to stand or not... which is probably why you don't main a Whm.

I think the general skill of the group that had annoyed you so much that you feel you need to make a forum post instead of directing it at said party is far less then capable.

You need to work on your skills as a group... who knows... maybe your tank was the one that sucked, maybe the whms did suck... or maybe it was just you, I wasn't there... can't say.

I can say there is one fight and one fight only that I refuse to 'heal' DD on... and that is Ifrit. Why? Because if I save you each time you get yourself blown up you will never learn to dodge properly. Don't get me wrong... you will get the usual Regen and Stoneskin... but stop acting recklessly and dodge that shite like a solid unit!

[Dgsoil]

Dear White Mages,

I can understand healing can become a chore sometimes. I can understand how frustrating it can get when melees take damage they can avoid when they either get hate or whatnot. What confuses me is the fact that half the time, some of you White Mages aren't healing melee DD's at all. I just got out of a random party where I have no choice but to take damage from the Moogle King doing the MRD move. As you can tell by my HP bar in the party member section, I had red HP with no way to heal myself since you did not heal me previosly. Please White mages, your job is to heal the entire party, NOT just the tank. It will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
All the DD's

P.S. I've played CNJ and WHM in the past, it's not hard when you have TWO WHM in party... >.>

Simple solution everyone here seems to be missing for this particular case, if you don't kill MRD before King then he won't spam Moogle-go-round.

[Randelmire]

Honestly, after reading all the 5 pages, I think the true problem here is that OP never played with good WHMs, or something like that.

Because I've never seen a WHM that wasn't healing other people.

(Well, that's not 100% true. Actually, I did it myself, on my first few Ifrit fights, I was a white mage. But it didn't take long to know the fight and to be able to heal others)

I must also I haven't tried Moogle or Garuda (hard)

[Spy]

Dear White Mages,

I can understand healing can become a chore sometimes. I can understand how frustrating it can get when melees take damage they can avoid when they either get hate or whatnot. What confuses me is the fact that half the time, some of you White Mages aren't healing melee DD's at all. I just got out of a random party where I have no choice but to take damage from the Moogle King doing the MRD move. As you can tell by my HP bar in the party member section, I had red HP with no way to heal myself since you did not heal me previosly. Please White mages, your job is to heal the entire party, NOT just the tank. It will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
All the DD's

P.S. I've played CNJ and WHM in the past, it's not hard when you have TWO WHM in party... >.>

That's just a bad whm. Even when my job is to focus on tank, if the DD's are close enough, and the tank is in good standing, I'll toss a cure towards a DD if I can and the other WHM is busy.

But it helps when the whm I'm pting with is in mumble XD I'm quite good at alternating jobs. Er...but I digress, I'm going off topic.

Back OT, It's not that hard to keep the DD's healed up...if NOTHING else, toss a regen on them or something; low mana cost and quick cast/cooldown time. However, the only time I'll struggle to heal a DD is if they run out of range in, let's say, Ifrit....I wont leave my post and risk getting killed (which would ultimately lead to the party's wipe if the other whm or another raiser isn't fast enough at raising me) when it's possible to keep them alive if they just come back. I know they'll have to run out of range because of cracks, but I've had some people run out of range and stay out of range even when it was safe.

Another way I'll let a DD die is if by healing them, it puts the rest of the group in danger OR if the tank is at greater risk. As a DD-player as well as whm, I'm ok with dieing if the tank lives. It's much easier to save a fight by raising a DD than a tank.

meh I'm rambling now...sorry ^^;
tl;dr version: As a whm I'll make sure the DD's are healed, unless it threatens the success of the fight....that whm was just lazy.

[Hyrist]

Don't get me wrong... you will get the usual Regen and Stoneskin... but stop acting recklessly and dodge that shite like a solid unit!

When we don't, that's when DD's complain.

I know when I'm to dodging properly or not taking hate. But I'm also very highly aware of when I'm not being topped off and I have to switch out of damage skills to self-sustain skills.

And I'll be frank, some players are just not cut out to play the roles they play. That goes both for damage dealers and healers. But goddamned if healers are the more important to get that down.

This is why I love playing Jack of All Trades jobs as it allows me to prioritize assisting where players are having difficulties. FFXIV lacks that sort of thing right now, except for Bards. I like being able to shift tactics like that quickly. But it's not conducive to an MMO environment.

But from my days as healer/support. Triage of your DDs is a bad mentality to have, as it will extend your run time and provide even more chances for things to go wrong. Your healing priorities should be synonymous with the hate order, and healers need to do their best to stay as low as they possibly can go on that order - lower than the DD's as they're your tanks if the main tank falls for any reason - (Granted FFXIV makes that difficult with little hate dumping abilities.) and you can't heal or raise if you're the one having to kite or defend yourself.

So when it comes to restorative control, tank is first priority for all healing, then your spare defensive and HoT skills should go on the individual that's next on the hate list (Or if it's swapping between the two, the one most likely to take more damage.) Then on the line down.

Ideally, you should be taking the least amount of damage, so the occasional HoT on yourself should allow you to maintain. Only time you top yourself off is when you know you're about to get smacked hard. The only one lower than you on the priority list to immediately heal unless you're top on the hate list is Bards, as they should be smack bottom on the hate list and restore the self.

The priorities of Tank > Healer > DD has never worked for me. That situation assumes everyone is all taking the exact same damage and you're cutting off your 'expendables'. Your MP is equally irrelevant if you're fleeing from your life as it is if your dead or spent out. Your priority is the hate list, recovering damage on the top person of the hate list, and preparing the secondary on the hate list a buffer against damage when they take it. Everything else is HoT aside from emergency cures, which usually should be responded to by an AoE recovery/protection of some sort. (In this game it would probably preceded by Shroud of Saints, which is WHM's only real hate manipulation tool.)

Healing priorities should be a lot easier to maintain once 2.0 comes out and people will get a clearer picture on how hate is being distributed, so I don't think the complaints will last much longer past that. But keep in mind, Triage is bad mmkay? It's the absolute last thing you should think of doing.

[BlueMage]

In triage people are moved to the back of the line, like mp sponges and if you're a hot mess, as a damage dealer do you really think it looks good for you blaming others for your short comings? I've been in many parties where I just left people dead because it was more efficient to raise some one else, their dps sucked and when parsed they took more damage than the tank. It is a white mages job in my humble opinion to keep the party alive not a person. So, given the choice between that and a wipe, if you don't have second wind or a pot you'll need to wait for a heal.

This. Sometimes the party is even better off with certain DDs dead.

[Darkillumina]

Didn't read this whole thread but my response to all WHM is this.

Shut up and heal. =)

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Dear DD,

If the tank is taking a lot of damage, DD are just going to have to use an elixir.

If the tank is not taking a lot of damage and my HP is not down, I'll cure you, but I won't leave my spot to do it. Come in range.

Stop getting hit so much. I don't have the MP for TWO tanks.

Hiir, WHM

I have always been able to heal everyone no problem, people still die occasionally but mainly by their own fault for getting hit with something they should not have. Majority of the time in a fight you have enough time to drop a Cure or SP CURE on the DD in between big cures on tanks. Though obviously there is variables and situations which restricts you sometimes where you can't heal the DD and they should understand that.

Two healers should not require full attention on tank (Ifrit for example)

If the tank is not taking a lot of damage, YOUR job as a WHM is to heal. Mine is to damage deal. If everytime I needed a heal and had to move to you, I wouldn't be doing my job as a damage dealer.

If you read what situation I was talking about, you would understand that I have no choice but to get hit. The White Mages were in range. And I'm not tanking, I'm a melee damage dealer.

Actually 2 WHM on Ifrit isn't as easy as you say even if you have done it before. Yes it can be solo'd healed but even when you have two WHMs the other WHM is usually helping keep up buffs on the whole party and spot curing those oh shit moments which happen more often than not on Ifrit.

Ifrit still has latency issues so a lot of times people are taking damage on things they should not be. As a healer that fight is intensive from the start to finish and stressful, because if you devote too much time to keep the DD alive when they should be avoiding majority of the damage in the first place the tank will die, period. It also depends on the skill/gear of your tank and the skill/gear of your healers. Don't call the healers out as a whole call out the crappy healers you had a problem with. kkthx.

P.S. Make sure to use your utility abilities if your job has them available. Use everything at your disposal and don't overly worry about how high your damage is going to be in the parser. Staying alive and doing your part is your job in a team based effort.