dev1037 New Battle Effects

[Abriael]

Abriael ,do you really think this is the time to release such important information ?im not trolling you , im trying to reason with you.

What would be the time to release information on something, beside "when it's ready"?

The lodestone is an information center. It's there to give information. I'm personally interested in receiving such information, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If they decide to change something in the game, I'm happy to be informed about it, and prompted to give my opinion. The small size of the effects is one of the things I always felt needed improvement, so I'm glad they're taking action on it.

I don't see why they should withold information that they have, just because it's not "big" (which is still debatable, it could easily have an at least sizable visual effect, as increasing the size of monsters did. This kind of change is the very first thing the modding community does to PC-based RPGs as soon as they crack them open, and it improves them visibly), and because some people are some bent on the (wrong) idea that big changes should come at the snap of a finger, that they rage every time a (arguably) minor one is announced.

[Zkieve]

What would be the time to release information on something, beside "when it's ready"?

The lodestone is an information center. It's there to give information. I'm personally interested in receiving such information, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If they decide to change something in the game, I'm happy to be informed about it, and prompted to give my opinion. The small size of the effects is one of the things I always felt needed improvement, so I'm glad they're taking action on it.

I don't see why they should withold information that they have, just because it's not "big" (which is still debatable, it could easily have an at least sizable visual effect, as increasing the size of monsters did. This kind of change is the very first thing the modding community does to PC-based RPGs as soon as they crack them open, and it improves them visibly), and because some people are some bent on the (wrong) idea that big changes should come at the snap of a finger, that they rage every time a (arguably) minor one is announced.

Ok man, i see nothing i say can change your view of thins ,so is pretty pointless to keep arguing past this point.
I think if they ever reverted to beta state of the game you would say "is to have a clean start" , the game is in horrible state, we need big changes , everyone expecting the big changes, and we get a animation size increase.

Like i said sometimes is better to not say anything at all.(and by say i mean introduce , update, etc) Is simple logic.im not angry , im just disappointed . There is a big difference.Not everyone have as much patience as you guys do to wait until game gets better. Getting Britney Spears when im waiting for AC/DC in a scenario is as disappointing as this.

[Betelgeuzah]

Wish i could be as naive . Honestly . I do wish so.if in 3 months this is what they can accomplish , i think we are waiting for a lot longer than i personally will wait on this game to recover.
Honestly wish im wrong from the bottom of a small fan heart.

I may be wrong, I'm not claiming otherwise. Yet the estimated development time for all of the topics in the "In Development" forum is from one to three-four months at most, especially if they are released in stages like the combat system overhaul. The time is due for everything listed to be complete in May. Either they deliver or they won't, but you can't look at the last 3 (2 really) months as an indicator of anything. It is not naive to assume that the development of the larger topics on that list takes more than few months. The smaller topics have been implemented in stages in the last few months too, not all at once. Even if alone they do not require that much development time, added together they still make quite a list of planned changes, enough to last for months as well.

Seriously, if you look at the topic for "AH", "Jumping" or "Combat overhaul" and assume that the development of those features takes as little time and resources as the development on "Implementation of increased item sizes after finalization" or "Improvements to skill point acquisition for parties", that's just not how it works. There is a reason why small changes are coming before the big ones, it is because they take less time to develop and there is no reason to not implement them if they're ready.

They can still mess up the rehauls and/or delay them, but we are only now getting to the point when we should expect the majority of content in the producer's letters to be done. If they were working on them since September that wouldn't be the case, but they have been working on them since January at best, February at worst. We all know why that is.

[Abriael]

Ok man, i see nothing i say can change your view of thins ,so is pretty pointless to keep arguing past this point.

So the only purpose you have for discussion is to "change my views"?
My views are mostly based on experience, and experience doesn't change because someone (that by his own admission lacks experience) argues against it.

I think if they ever reverted to to beta state of the game you would say "is to have a clean start" , the game is in horrible state, we need big changes , everyone expecting the big changes, and we get a animation size increase.

I would say that losing track of smaller details just because we need big changes wold be rather detrimental. Game development isn't made of airtight compartments, and a development team is normally split in several teams, and there are several moments in which individuals are prompted to work on smaller things in order to fill dead times or times in which their major projects are stalled even by something as simple as waiting for a complementary team to catch up on work.
Smaller things obviously get released first. because they're faster to implement. This is simple logic.

Like i said sometimes is better to not say anything at all. Is simple logic.im not angry , im just disappointed . There is a big difference.Not everyone have as much patience as you guys do to wait until game gets better. Getting Britney Spears when im waiting for AC/DC in a scenario is as disappointing as this.

There are obviously numerous people that are interested even in smaller changes. There's simply no reason to keep them in the dark because some don't know the meaning of patience.

if you aren't interested in a change, simply ignore it. I'm glad to be informed.

[Zkieve]

So the only purpose you have for discussion is to "change my views"?
My views are mostly based on experience, and experience doesn't change because someone (that by his own admission lacks experience) argues against it.



I would say that losing track of smaller details just because we need big changes wold be rather detrimental. Game development isn't made of airtight compartments, and a development team is normally split in several teams, and there are several moments in which individuals are prompted to work on smaller things in order to fill dead times or times in which their major projects are stalled even by something as simple as waiting for a complementary team to catch up on work.
Smaller things obviously get released first. because they're faster to implement. This is simple logic.



There are obviously numerous people that are interested even in smaller changes. There's simply no reason to keep them in the dark because some don't know the meaning of patience.

if you aren't interested in a change, simply ignore it. I'm glad to be informed.

Way to miss the point.Im sorry not everyone comes here to praise what have not been done yet.I am a fan and i am extremely disappointed.Your enthusiasm and blind faith is annoying when way over half of the fans are disappointed.Im yet to see you agree that anything is wrong within this game at all.You dont need a game development degree to see how much wrong is currently in game and how small and disappointing this small fixes are, so go lecture someone else, if you cared to read my first post you would had seen my disclaimer saying i couldnt care less about development.

I am a gamer and i speak as one , i already have a real job witch i love .Im here to have fun.

[viion]

Are you fucking kidding me? Se you honestly think an increase in size will make IT ALL SUPER AWESOME?

The Duration Sucks
The Effect Sucks
The Animation Sucks

Making Flare a little big bigger doesn't make it feel impressive.

Such a let down.

[Poipori]

Are you fucking kidding me? Se you honestly think an increase in size will make IT ALL SUPER AWESOME?

The Duration Sucks
The Effect Sucks
The Animation Sucks

Making Flare a little big bigger doesn't make it feel impressive.

Such a let down.

Yeah!

look at 0:50, that should be our FLARE T.T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8JZo...tailpage#t=50s

same engine, same company, why can't we get these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoJX...tailpage#t=65s

look at that freakin tornado <3

[Abriael]

Way to miss the point.Im sorry not everyone comes here to praise what have not been done yet.I am a fan and i am extremely disappointed.Your enthusiasm and blind faith is annoying when

Blind faith? Lol. I have no blind faith. I don't know if they'll turn the game sizably for the better. There's quite a BIG difference between having blind faith and being willing to give a developer the physical time to make the necessary changes. Especially when they're not requiring me to pay a fee and they're giving me some quite clear signals that they're working hard.

You're not annoyed by blind faith. You're annoyed by realism. Sorry about that, but an injection of realism is quite needed in this forum, as some people have a way oversimplified idea of the challenges and times of game development.

way over half of the fans are disappointed.

Did you poll them?

Im yet to see you agree that anything is wrong within this game at all.

This just means that your reading is very, very selective.

I am a gamer and i speak as one

yep, and it's always disappointing to see that many gamers seem to be absolutely convinced that they know better about game development than developers that have been successful in the industry for decades.

Are you fucking kidding me? Se you honestly think an increase in size will make IT ALL SUPER AWESOME?

Where exactly did anyone write that it will make it ALL SUPER AWESOME?
It will make it better. Which is, by definition, a good thing.

Yeah!

look at 0:50, that should be our FLARE T.T

yep, it'd be super exciting to see that lovely (not a doubt) effect at 5 FPS when five mages throw at the same time during an NM battle.
Single player -> Limited environment. The developer knows at every time how many effects will be displayed at the same time, and has much wider limits in order to mantain a decent framerate.
MMORPG -> Almost unlimited environment, the developers doesn't know for sure how many people are going to activate the same spell/effect at the same time, and as such have to limit the hardware impact of every FX in order to make sure that having multiple at the same time won't bog down the engine.

[Rau]

Hmmm. I dunno. we've tested a lot. And other than the obvious INT not scaling with DMG as well as STR does for Melee. The cost of time to cast, stamina, and MP ( which is not as big an issue with MP regen in game now) makes casting "nukes" not worth the 40dmg they do to NMs. You could in fact cast 2 spirit darts in its place that do same if not more dmg and have a much higher chance to hit. And I won't even go into the AM's in the game now. Totally not worth the mp/time and such. I dunno, don't care to debate. G'night

^THIS.
SO. MUCH.

[viion]

Yeah!

look at 0:50, that should be our FLARE T.T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8JZo...tailpage#t=50s

same engine, same company, why can't we get these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXoJX...tailpage#t=65s

look at that freakin tornado <3

Hell yeh!!!

Abriael you have almost no idea what you're talking about lol All i'll say is other games (mmo) can do it.