Skill trees and Alternate Advancement

[Firon]

Way to take everything I said out of context. Have you ever heard of "sh*t happens"? When a whm just so happens to get hit by an eruption and die, or the healers are running away from eruptions, having extra support is a great things. That's what classes are for.

Please don't assume that I'm bad at Ifrit. It has NOTHING to do with my skill. I've gotten 6/7 weapons and have only been doing it for fun now. When you do it with NEWER people that aren't used to Ifrit, I rather survivability and support. I never changed my "mind", so please get this bullsh*t out of your mind.

Ppl just have this stupid tick in their head that classes can't be used anymore

[Volsung]

I would be totally fine if they added something similar but different. Maybe quests/merits to enhance currently owned WS/abilities until you decide you've made a mistake and remove it.

Like say LNC has 10 total possible upgrades, for 10 different abilities/traits. Each one can be upgraded twice, but we're only allowed 6 upgrades. So you could enhance 3 WS/ability/traits twice or mix and match. The upgrades wouldnt be too powerful, like stun time +1 on leg sweep, or dmg+ a little on true thrust. OR it could be entirely different things: add DoT to Vorpal Thrust, life surge effects pt members to a small degree etc

so you could upgrade 6 different things out of 10 total, or make your own combo through either questing/merits (those numbers are out of my ass of course, they can choose w/e they want)

[DeadRiser]

I didn't say YOU where bad I said your party was bad.

"I was saying that if you have to go class to survive then you need to get better, simple as that"

Lol there is quite a lot of "you's" in there. Maybe you should pay attention to what you are typing. And you still didn't read what I put. Keep in mind that this is all with random people, not my LS's or friends. A lot of people that still do Ifrit are fairly new to it. Call them bad all you want, you were once that bad at Ifrit too.

Ppl just have this stupid tick in their head that classes can't be used anymore

Lol Everything except CNJ is still viable as a class. CNJ is just gimping yourself because you get invited to heal, not dps.

[Krausus]

Ppl just have this stupid tick in their head that classes can't be used anymore

Im not saying classes can't be used anymore what I'm saying is classes shouldn't be NEEDED to kill Ifrit. I would beg to differ though that some class really should not be used anymore like LNC and PGL. I certainly see why MRD (dps), ARC (dps) are still good to use for certain situations and that's because they lack access to LNC abilities and ARC lacks access to LNC and PGL abilities.

[Molly_Millions]

Did you even bother to read? I said with random people. And WAR as a DD is bad compared to a MRD.

WAR for damage... you just get steel cyclone and a bunch of enmity increasing abilities
MRD for damage... you get keen flurry, invigorate, second wind, cure, raise, blindside, etc.

Vengeance and Mighty strikes are DD abilities.

[Firon]

Im not saying classes can't be used anymore what I'm saying is classes shouldn't be NEEDED to kill Ifrit. I would beg to differ though that some class really should not be used anymore like LNC and PGL. I certainly see why MRD (dps), ARC (dps) are still good to use for certain situations and that's because they lack access to LNC abilities and ARC lacks access to LNC and PGL abilities.

I use pgl for solo what they intended it for i also use it when duoing mnk hits hard but also gets hit to hard.

Vengeance and Mighty strikes are DD abilities.

LOL WTF
/10char

[Krausus]

"I was saying that if you have to go class to survive then you need to get better, simple as that"

Lol there is quite a lot of "you's" in there. Maybe you should pay attention to what you are typing. And you still didn't read what I put. Keep in mind that this is all with random people, not my LS's or friends. A lot of people that still do Ifrit are fairly new to it. Call them bad all you want, you were once that bad at Ifrit too.



Lol Everything except CNJ is still viable as a class. CNJ is just gimping yourself because you get invited to heal, not dps.

why the hell would you use LNC over DRG, or MNK over PGL, or BLM over THM

[DeadRiser]

Vengeance and Mighty strikes are DD abilities.

Vengeance is if you are getting hit, and mighty strikes is a one time ability in the fight. Yes they could be considered DD abilities, but they don't add much. I'd much rather switch to MRD for support/dps

[Krausus]

I use pgl for solo what they intended it for i also use it when duoing mnk hits hard but also gets hit to hard.



LOL WTF
/10char

second wind is more then enough to keep MNK going if not then you are trying to take something on you shouldn't be.

[DeadRiser]

Ok really. We just went through this. Extra support/health/raise... I mean come on dude. You can't be that thick.