Skill trees and Alternate Advancement

[DeadRiser]

Not sure how this has anything to do with what I said. But on the subject no class should be excluded from Ifrit, I mean it is Ifrit for gods sakes....

Just like no skill tree or whatever should be excluded from content. Each would have it's use, people will nit pick whatever but they will eventually get over it.

[Krausus]

Just like no skill tree or whatever should be excluded from content. Each would have it's use, people will nit pick whatever but they will eventually get over it.

no its not the same, your argument is people laugh at you for bringing WAR for Ifrit. 2 things make that a moot point. 1 Ifirit is not so hard that you have to have xyz classes to succeed outside of needing healer and tank at the very least. And 2. WAR is a good class with high survivability very good self heals, and pretty good damage. A better argument would be people laugh at me for bringing MRD which would be the equivalent of bringing a shitty skill tree speced WAR vs a good skill tree speced WAR

EDIT: I now see you actually did say MRD...yeah I would laugh at you to, sorry you are gimping yourself and your party.

[DeadRiser]

EDIT: I now see you actually did say MRD...yeah I would laugh at you to, sorry you are gimping yourself and your party.

To each his own. Your just like the people that would laugh at people that selected the "unwanted" skill tree. Gimping myself. HA High survivability and decent damage (plus back up heals/support/raise) with random people is gimping myself.... lol think about it dude

[Krausus]

To each his own. Your just like the people that would laugh at people that selected the "unwanted" skill tree. Gimping myself. HA High survivability and decent damage (plus back up heals/support/raise) with random people is gimping myself.... lol think about it dude

if your party sucks so bad that you need to equip cure and raise to survive instead of going WAR you shouldn't be doing Ifrit. I dont mean to be insulting but Ifrit is not so hard that you need to do all that.

[DeadRiser]

if your party sucks so bad that you need to equip cure and raise to survive instead of going WAR you shouldn't be doing Ifrit. I dont mean to be insulting but Ifrit is not so hard that you need to do all that.

Did you even bother to read? I said with random people. And WAR as a DD is bad compared to a MRD.

WAR for damage... you just get steel cyclone and a bunch of enmity increasing abilities
MRD for damage... you get keen flurry, invigorate, second wind, cure, raise, blindside, etc.

Now what were you saying?

[Krausus]

Did you even bother to read? I said with random people. And WAR as a DD is bad compared to a MRD.

WAR for damage... you just get steel cyclone and a bunch of enmity increasing abilities
MRD for damage... you get keen flurry, invigorate, second wind, cure, raise, blindside, etc.

Now what were you saying?

I was saying that if you have to go class to survive then you need to get better, simple as that. You didnt say you where going MRD for for more damage skills you said you where going MRD for backup support cure and raise dont change your mind now. Randoms or not if you have to go on classes then you shouldn't be doing Ifrit.

[DeadRiser]

I was saying that if you have to go class to survive then you need to get better, simple as that. You didnt say you where going MRD for for more damage skills you said you where going MRD for backup support cure and raise dont change your mind now. Randoms or not if you have to go on classes then you shouldn't be doing Ifrit.

Way to take everything I said out of context. Have you ever heard of "sh*t happens"? When a whm just so happens to get hit by an eruption and die, or the healers are running away from eruptions, having extra support is a great things. That's what classes are for.

Please don't assume that I'm bad at Ifrit. It has NOTHING to do with my skill. I've gotten 6/7 weapons and have only been doing it for fun now. When you do it with NEWER people that aren't used to Ifrit, I rather survivability and support. I never changed my "mind", so please get this bullsh*t out of your mind.

[Molly_Millions]

Did you even bother to read? I said with random people. And WAR as a DD is bad compared to a MRD.

WAR for damage... you just get steel cyclone and a bunch of enmity increasing abilities
MRD for damage... you get keen flurry, invigorate, second wind, cure, raise, blindside, etc.

Vengeance and Mighty strikes are DD abilities.

[DeadRiser]

Vengeance and Mighty strikes are DD abilities.

Vengeance is if you are getting hit, and mighty strikes is a one time ability in the fight. Yes they could be considered DD abilities, but they don't add much. I'd much rather switch to MRD for support/dps

[Kyra]

Yeah being able to respec a skill tree is fine, as long as it takes a little bit of effort and time, maybe a repeatable quest with a 1 week cooldown, and even then you should only get 2/3 of the exp back to respec a new tree with. The whole point of it will be to make a choice and stick with it, not respecing every time you do a new dungeon or primal, thats the same as just changing to a different job for whatever content you do.

Changing jobs gives you options already. If you want to fight ifrit but your blm is specialised in fire, then fight him with another job. Or fight him with your fire blackmage, because it wont be any worse than it was before and you will still have your thunder nukes the same as now and increased fire resist, its just a thunder specialised blm will do more dmg for that particular fight than you.

Oh no! so your not as good as a thunder blackmage for the ifrit fight, get over it lol, you made that choice and when you do a fight with a boss weak to fire or AoE is needed its the thunder blackmage that will be crying or accepting the choice he made.

Dont use the argument that everyone will choose the best possible build, because there would be no best possible build for everything. thats the whole point. You might be great at somethings, average at other things and suck at other stuff (compared to people that have chosen other specialities).