Skill trees and Alternate Advancement

[Antipika]

a few concerns: SE tried this to an extent with customizing stats. it ended miserably as stats had relatively little meaning in order to prevent certain builds from being OP.


Also, didn't Rift try this? dont they have less players than we do now?

and finally, dont people just end up gravitating toward cookie cutter builds?

Rift have way more than XIV... Rift NA alone is beating XIV. They sure lost a lot of customers post-launch (like all MMO now anyway...)

Now the Rift tree system is not a big issue because it works somehow like XIV Armoury system, you can swap at any time (just need to be out of combat). You can have 6 template as well, allowing you to have specs for all type of content (Raiding, Solo/Low man PvE, PvP) but also different roles.

Off course players come up with templates and "cookie cutter builds". But maximizing DPS requires to keep up a perfect skill rotation (while managing to focus on your encounter) and it can be really hard. So there are drawbacks. Some specs are superior for AoE, while some are superior for Single target encounters with little movement. Some are better when constant movement is necessary. While some are very good for damage spike. So it's not as easy as "this build is the best".

Having more jobs would exactly work the same way. It would be like linking a template to each specific job. Having a tree is only good to make really minor changes.

[Taika]

I just see too many possible problems with this. For example, if you have a "solo build" (DRG wyvern example), what happens when you actually want to do some group content? If your chosen build isn't that good for group play, you might be left out. And for BLM example, if you have to pick an element you spesialize in, what happens when BLMs in your LS want to specialize in the same element? They will be forced to pick something else or the LS will be unable to do certain content?

What would be the good sides of this suggestion? The feeling you are somehow special, different from others? Could there be some other way of making it possible without having to sacrifice the efficiency of yourself or the whole group?

[Rau]

I just see too many possible problems with this. For example, if you have a "solo build" (DRG wyvern example), what happens when you actually want to do some group content? If your chosen build isn't that good for group play, you might be left out. And for BLM example, if you have to pick an element you spesialize in, what happens when BLMs in your LS want to specialize in the same element? They will be forced to pick something else or the LS will be unable to do certain content?

What would be the good sides of this suggestion? The feeling you are somehow special, different from others? Could there be some other way of making it possible without having to sacrifice the efficiency of yourself or the whole group?

gradual 24 hour cool down to reset everything :P

[Molly_Millions]

we have a job system for this reason. A skill tree is irreversible most of the time, the job system is not.

[Sinzya]

Even if they just added the FFXI merit point system but just changed appearance and made it easier to look at that would be fine in my opinion. It allowed for quite a bit of customization.

[Vingtdeux]

We definitely need more customization options.

[DeadRiser]

Lol

"People are going to find a certain dps build and not invite people who are don't have that tree"
"So many people are only going to go for one specific type of tree when it's 'the one'".

And the community doesn't do that with dps? Um hello BLM/BRD/WHM/WAR. Might not have been as bad as it was, it just take SE part to balance it out more. They can do a skill tree (with changeable properties), they just have to balance and do it correctly. I love the classes/jobs we have now, just wish there was more diffrentiating things between two dragoons if they two choose so. I like uniqueness... but that's one thing I've noticed the community on the forums at least doesn't like lol

[Krausus]

Lol

"People are going to find a certain dps build and not invite people who are don't have that tree"
"So many people are only going to go for one specific type of tree when it's 'the one'".

And the community doesn't do that with dps? Um hello BLM/BRD/WHM/WAR. Might not have been as bad as it was, it just take SE part to balance it out more. They can do a skill tree (with changeable properties), they just have to balance and do it correctly. I love the classes/jobs we have now, just wish there was more diffrentiating things between two dragoons if they two choose so. I like uniqueness... but that's one thing I've noticed the community on the forums at least doesn't like lol

no one ever said people dont already do that it is proven time and time again that people already do that so people would still do that and the OPs suggestion to give more options in theory sounds good but again it wont matter the community will negate the purpose by flocking to a certain build. Nothing will change aside from more work for devs, and forums flooded with "whats the best build for class A", "this is", "no its not you stupid ass noob this is!", " you are both stupid ass noobs because this is actually the best!" "ask BG they know the best build and all of you stop being stupid ass noobs!"

[DeadRiser]

no one ever said people dont already do that it is proven time and time again that people already do that so people would still do that and the OPs suggestion to give more options in theory sounds good but again it wont matter the community will negate the purpose by flocking to a certain build. Nothing will change aside from more work for devs, and forums flooded with "whats the best build for class A", "this is", "no its not you stupid ass noob this is!", " you are both stupid ass noobs because this is actually the best!" "ask BG they know the best build and all of you stop being stupid ass noobs!"

People laugh at me when I go as MRD still on Ifrit fights. They think I can't do good damage and will die from animation lock.

I end up doing fairly decent damage and also survive hellfire everytime, even if there is nails still up. People will learn if givin the chance...

[Krausus]

People laugh at me when I go as MRD still on Ifrit fights. They think I can't do good damage and will die from animation lock.

I end up doing fairly decent damage and also survive hellfire everytime, even if there is nails still up. People will learn if givin the chance...

Not sure how this has anything to do with what I said. But on the subject no class should be excluded from Ifrit, I mean it is Ifrit for gods sakes....