Stories that focus on the individual should never require parties.

[Chardrizard]

Some people just need friends. I PUG'd hamlet/raid like everyday np (had to PUG because alot of my LS members still in D3)...

[viion]

Now you're doind the ass. I'm just saying storyline shouldn't reward anything. If you're so attached to content scaling, let's just solo all storyline, because i don't think spamming the same story mission for a loot have something to do with story

wtf are you talking about, I am thinking you have completely missed the point of getting yourself confused.

Its all about Choice. And Scalable content allows Choice.

If I want hard fight, i go in with 8.
If I want Hardish fight, i go in with 1-2, its still hard, it scaled, but its doable.
If i want friends, I go with my friends
If i want LS friends, i go with LS friends.

Right now its
You need 8 or gtfo.

We are not saying storyline should reward anything, we never said that once.

We said if you want to do the fight JUST FOR THE STORY, you can, that is it! NO REWARDS

Then make it if you want Rewards, you must require more people.

Fortunately Yoshi see's this and we will already get "Difficulty" Scaling in content (confirmed in interviews), but I hope it isnt Raids only and hope it is applied to a lot of things.

Some people play for Loot, the rewards, the gear, the chests, etc.

Some just want the story....

[Nix]

I'm not looking for a 'solo' experience, but at the same time if the community isn't willing to help others behind them, then what option do they have? Even people in their linkshells have trouble trying to scrape some folks together, some are luckier than others.

It's nice that you do help, I do also but at the same time it takes more than a small handful of people to make things easier on everyone (does this make sense? I'm tired and rambly).

Yeah 8hrs is a bit ridiculous hyperbole, but you know what? It's 2:40am, I'll think of a better hyperbole if you can get me another coffee♪ lol. That being said the theme is still there -- people shout for a looooong time and not get any response, it's so sad.

I'm honestly looking forward to content finder, granted it'll be hit & miss trying to get a good group but still -- it's an option and it's currently one more option than we have now, so here's to hoping for better things.

Also, there's no demanding, merely suggestion. this is the beauty of forums where we can share ideas, there's no need to get so defensive. :x

[yukikaze_yanagi]

wtf are you talking about, I am thinking you have completely missed the point of getting yourself confused.

Its all about Choice. And Scalable content allows Choice.

If I want hard fight, i go in with 8.
If I want Hardish fight, i go in with 1-2, its still hard, it scaled, but its doable.
If i want friends, I go with my friends
If i want LS friends, i go with LS friends.

Right now its
You need 8 or gtfo.

We are not saying storyline should reward anything, we never said that once.

We said if you want to do the fight JUST FOR THE STORY, you can, that is it! NO REWARDS

Then make it if you want Rewards, you must require more people.

Fortunately Yoshi see's this and we will already get "Difficulty" Scaling in content (confirmed in interviews), but I hope it isnt Raids only and hope it is applied to a lot of things.

Some people play for Loot, the rewards, the gear, the chests, etc.

Some just want the story....

Man chill out, i understood your point already. But i don't think you know this: where you put nice rewards to something people will spam it, whatever this event could be. After they got what they want, they'll never again do it. Will the same with your system, and you accomplished nothing, just more grind.

[Vydos]

Let's all be honest here. And just say that this is something VERY HARD to get right in a MMO title. Especially an rpg. Both sides have valid points. I for one can see that because like I said. European player surrounded by japanese and american players. Doesn't make it easy at all to find a group to do stuff. I've spend many days on FFXI simply shouting for a CoP party. Without any luck. And often on those days, I wished I could solo it. It is really a frustrating thing if you're not blessed with a group of friends to do content together. And we also get to the points that Premium so kindly pointed out.

Namely the community. Unfortunately the days are past where in those first mmorpg's, most of the community was there to lend a helping hand. Now most people, don't really bother helping those that need it. When they themselves have it done. Especially when it comes to those challenging content. People are more inclined to help kill some weak NM's for a job quest but not so willing to help on a DH, CC, AV artifact run. But I have to say that not everyone is like that. I know a few people in my linkshells that gladly help out people. Ironically, most of them are women.

But I'm sure that nobody can deny the fact that it is also more enjoyable to do it all in a group. We all seem to agree on that. However we like to think about those that come later and also want to experience what we experienced. And if it means doing it solo so be it.

Onto the many solutions posted here. Many are viable and actual good ideas...IN THEORY.

However it lies in human tendency to favor the easy mode above the hard mode as many job stacking, bug/game exploiting and PL'ing in this game hints at. Not saying everyone is like that. I for one am not and prefer a good challenge over easy mode. One of my reasons to play this game lies in actually being able to play it with others. Am I the only one that played past FF titles and sometimes wished that I could take on Sephiroth at the end with some friends playing the other party members? FF online kinda helps me fulfill that dream.

Conclusion: We all like and wish to be able to play this game in groups but reality tells another tale. Making things soloable as an option seems like a good idea but will instead mostly destroy the nice experience we can have. Even though I know that some people couldn't care less about it lol.

(This ended up longer than I thought...)

[viion]

Man chill out, i understood your point already. But i don't think you know this: where you put nice rewards to something people will spam it, whatever this event could be. After they got what they want, they'll never again do it. Will the same with your system, and you accomplished nothing, just more grind.

Huh? You have completely misunderstood the point...

People get what they want and never do it again now, thats one major issue why this system is needed... If some people go solo it because they cant group it doesnt affect you because they're not doing the content now. The only difference is those who cant do shit, are able to go do it for the story, rather than being at a road block.

You have completely gone off rails and not understanding, you keep replying with nothing that absolutely makes no sense...

With my system you allow THOSE who CANT DO IT NOW, to BE ABLE TO DO IT. That is it, the Rest stays the same, rewards you still have to grind for LIKE NOW. That doesnt change, you just provide a solution for those who CANT DO CONTENT NOW.

How are you not getting this? Why you keep replying with things that make no sense to what is being forwarded?

@Vydos very good post, glad you see both sides =) good compare with CoP! Though your conclusion is a bit wrong. I dont see how it would destroy things when the people who cant do things now, are stuck, unable to progress in game and either have to move onto something else or quit? Surely that is much more worse than anything else...

[Murugan]

Huh? You have completely misunderstood the point...

People get what they want and never do it again now, thats one major issue why this system is needed... If some people go solo it because they cant group it doesnt affect you because they're not doing the content now. The only difference is those who cant do shit, are able to go do it for the story, rather than being at a road block.

You have completely gone off rails and not understanding, you keep replying with nothing that absolutely makes no sense...

With my system you allow THOSE who CANT DO IT NOW, to BE ABLE TO DO IT. That is it, the Rest stays the same, rewards you still have to grind for LIKE NOW. That doesnt change, you just provide a solution for those who CANT DO CONTENT NOW.

How are you not getting this? Why you keep replying with things that make no sense to what is being forwarded?

You are so melodramatic.

Pretty sure most people manage to get AF/GC quests done just fine. If they had scalable quests for this stuff, they would be crap, and unless they added incentive to grouping with a bunch of loot (diluting itemization and causing more problems), people would just do the easy version and it would be entirely unmemorable just like the original story in this game.

You are blowing this problem out of proportion, the OP and a few others of you have a hard time finding a group so suddenly EVERYTHING MUST BE SOLO!!!

Sorry they tried that already, it was called FFXIV 2010. A lot more people had a problem with the lackluster experience that "Solo ready!!!!" storyline content had, than the few of you who can't seem to manage to do what everyone else in the game manages just fine.

[Nix]

You are so melodramatic.

EVERYTHING MUST BE SOLO!!!

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HEY only I'm allowed to put a ridiculous hyperbole in the thread! /shun

[Dano]

I can say from experience it can be difficult to find people to help do AF quests, from LS or from strangers at times. Even though the fight probably only last what? 10mins?

As mentioned earlier, SE can make these quests give some incentive in the form of rewards to encourage people to help each other.

I'm all for keeping the content party based, but sometimes you have to take into account that people just aren't interested in helping (when it doesnt benefit them).

[Murugan]

HEY only I'm allowed to put a ridiculous hyperbole in the thread! /shun

It's not hyperbole. Viion specifically said that he/she hopes all content, such as quests and storyline content and not just raids (which is the only thing that has been mentioned so far) is made scaleable, and therefore soloable.

Because LOL we can just add some insane loot grind for the "hardcore" players if they want to play with their precious "fellow players" so much!