Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[Biggs]

once every 3 days - that's about 120 times a year - less than I've done Ifrit in the past 3 months.

You ALWAYS had drops in dynamis, just because of the large scale you didn't always get an item yourself - you still saw progress.

Yep, but you couldnt spam Dynamis daily either. I look at that system and this system and see essentially the same thing done in a different way. Even though this system prob takes less time than Xi's, due to its structure people are hating on it. Kinda funny actually. Mostly just a matter of taste. No ones really questioning how long its gonna take, only the manner in which that time is spent.

[Gukie]

I like the way they made this already---- they finally realized giving everything to everyone quickly is pointless cuz then you end up with nothing to do..

[Biggs]

Yes. That's the short answer.
I helped friends farm weapons/armor/currency even though I got nothing, even that shows progress, not my own but that person I'm helping who will undoubtedly help me in the future to make progress.

This is the exact same thing I was saying though about the relic system. If you had static group helping you do this and you all worked together, this isnt really shit and it increases the chance of making progress, for someone at least, each time you make a run. To me anyway that just leaves the melding part of this thats still pretty random. If your with the same people, hamlet drops arent superb but I bet at least 1 person gets one each run if your successfull. A matter of perspective I guess. I look forward to seeing how SE develops this.

[Krausus]

You may be spamming content, but it's guaranteed progression, which is the issue at hand. There is so much RNG, and not enough, "if I put in time, I'll get at least a little bit closer to my goal."

the token and seal part isnt what bothers me, it was until I read you need to make the class weapon and double meld it, this IMO is worse than the token/seals.

[Yoruichi4478]

I wasn't really expecting relics at this point, was more of thinking AF weapons which goes with your AF armor so you look cool and from there they were going to add quests to improve the weapons more and more into the future so your AF gear sticks with any level cap increases... and those becoming more hardcore related content... but I guess I was wrong was hardcore from beginning lol.

It was originally understood those would be our AF weapons, they just gave them the name relic and added a touch of ye olde Dynamis to it.

[Yoruichi4478]

We should not have relic weapons anyway in our pseudo endgame, save it for 70+.
Should've had a "decent" artifact weapon with story revolving around how each particular job is trying to combat the Garleans and Dalamud.
Would pay the 10m from failed dual melds straight up just to get this implemented correctly ~~

Agreed. These should've been our delayed AF weapons, not relic. Wouldn't even have to do it like in FFXI where you pop the ??? and spawn your weapon nm, but this?

[Yoruichi4478]

Way to not read the thread or understand the message.

People want Relics to be hard. They want them to be an achievement to obtain. But they want them to be something you can actually make progress on without relying on RNG to swing your way like it's the old L50 Miragent's set in Aion. So that even if it's difficult and takes a long while, you know "hey, I made progress today, I'm getting closer" not "I hope this will be the last 2 million+ Gil weapon I'll have to try double melding without it breaking" or "I hope this time I'll get one of the 3 items I need and not DM".

No kidding. I wonder though if a comm rep will even notice this thread.

[Quesse]

Mog Trials...

They were absurd. Killing 500 apkallu (you know, the ones that become exponentially more powerful every time one is killed in the zone and go grab their friends to massacre you? the one they eventually changed after i completed it because it was too hard?) for my 'occasionally attack 2-3x' axe was mind-numbing but it was infinitely more rewarding because I could measure my progress. My goal had a very predictable concrete end to it.

I much prefer that to this rng crap.

[Yoruichi4478]

Thats the point.
There is (or will be) another one who will get his double melded at the first try while u had to spent 35 times more effort into it.

How can some ppl still defend that unfairness...

Yeah, seen some ppl have their attempts go kaboom while the person right next to them ends up with a lucky streak. I have someone in one of my ls's atm with this such luck. So much so, my ls mates are saying you have to be a taru/lalafell to get successes.

[Yoruichi4478]

[QUOTE=Elexia;717439]To be honest the only thing they could do for this is:

1. Make Hamlet more like Campaign from XI and throw all gear/seals into purchasable category with points you build through it, that way people who complain about RNG can buy the seals eventually.

Yup, most ppl hoped or thought Hamlet Defense would be something like good, old ffxi campaigns, now those were fun.