Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

[Keyln]

People hate playing the random number game.

Okay, so explain casinos...

So, you hate randomness. Fair enough. So, how would you design the acquisition of the most powerful weapons in the game?

[viion]

quit trolling. Don't you have some other like deadwebsite to manage?

Grow up kiddo =)

Okay, so explain casinos...

So, you hate randomness. Fair enough. So, how would you design the acquisition of the most powerful weapons in the game?

What about Casino? The Casino's point is to waste your money and waste your time, you know why they serve drinks for free? to make you waste more money.

Casino's is not about being fair or being creative, its about you giving them more and more money for the illusion of gaining something.

Explain all the people who go into debt, ruin the lifes, and loan sharks lol....

Someone else posted this, maybe ya should read it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

[Icehunter]

Sorry viion... people who lack the skills to use and comprehend big words might look for the tldr; which in this case is "derp"

[KiraHime]

WS damage comes from a weapon's base damage, not its DPS. Weapon skills are not a "damage over time" -- they're instant. Delay of a weapon has absolutely nothing to do with WS damage.

Not sure if troll?

Preliminary data shows that auto-attack stat caps are based on the base damage where as the WS stat caps are based on the calculated weapon "DPS" value.

It's been accepted pretty much since Garuda for the rest of the info....

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107...=1#post5196311

[Babydoll]

casino's can be fun but I don't want any mmo I play to be anything like one. Relic are not difficult to obtain..just based on luck and how much time you can waste.

I know these are not the Legendary weapons but jeez in FFXI...relics were actually hard to get. Not only did you have get all the Dynamis wins (Which were actually difficult back in the day) you had to kill the animated weapons which back in the day were no joke. Anyone remember seeing someone with a relic (when it was extremely rare) and thinking WOW...well yeah not with this. It's more like..oh..they got lucky. Cool.

I hope someday we have real challenging content with a good reward instead of this random % weird crap..

[Keyln]

What about Casino? The Casino's point is to waste your money and waste your time, you know why they serve drinks for free? to make you waste more money.

Casino's is not about being fair or being creative, its about you giving them more and more money for the illusion of gaining something.

Explain all the people who go into debt, ruin the lifes, and loan sharks lol....

Someone else posted this, maybe ya should read it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

Also, completely missing my point. Some people do enjoy playing "random number games" aka gambling.

I also noticed that you completely neglected the other half of my post. If you think you can do a better job designing a system for the acquisition of the game's most powerful weapons, let's see it.

[Green_and_a_Half]

is it over now?

[Jynx]

Gimme a break... 60K chest now is 60% drop rate on seal.... (Based off going 12/20 since patch)

So this is what people are whining about? Good lawd people need to get things set straight before they start whining. I had assumed the seal chances might be changed a bit but OVER 50%? (Of course this is far from imperical evidence but neither was the previous numbers)

Move along people, nothing to whine about here.

[Greil]

Nobody can tell us what materia we need to use for the PLD ? (it's not HP+, you can't put this kind of materia on swords)

[viion]

Also, completely missing my point. Some people do enjoy playing "random number games" aka gambling.

I also noticed that you completely neglected the other half of my post. If you think you can do a better job designing a system for the acquisition of the game's most powerful weapons, let's see it.

I cant be bothered to go type how I would do it all because, well i dont need to, the way I would do it is by exactly how I am arguing it it: Reward Loyalty, Reward Difficulty, Reward Dedication, NOT Random number lucky people, I am not paid to come up with how its supposed to be done, its not my full time job. I can just see from other things its not the way to go.

I am a customer of a product and I don't like the way something is done and that is 1 reason these forums exist. Doesnt mean anything to me personally, I can go get a relic typically easy, i just have to get lucky and boom i have one! I just would prefer it if Relics meant something and were meaningful, not typical weapons that any jim bob joe gets cuse they were lucky.

And that is great if some people enjoy it, good for them. But hey guess what! there is a lot that dont enjoy it, and if you remember why these forums are here, it is so people can talk about things, debate about things and give their feedback.

My very first post stated "i personally". But people didnt like my opinion and thats how this whole argument began, and the people who agree with me, understand my point and do not like random number games.

If people love random number generator, thats great, people can debate with me on that, but people singling me out and "all tough on the interwebs" because they cant debate or some how dont understand what these forums are and think that anyone who doesnt agree with their opinion is an instant troll or QQ is just sad, really pathetic.

A lot of this has spiraled on way to long because some people think me and people who agree with me are complaining about how long it takes or the drop rate. The same argument would be if the drop rate was 95% lol its still Random.

Random is good in some cases, but for every single piece of content, come on.. be imaginative...