Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

[viion]

The problem I have is this does not reward loyalty, it doesn't reward dedication, it rewards dumb luck.

I could go do 30 hamlets and get all 9 seals, I could 1st time double meld, and be on my happy way to my relic. Someone else could do 1000 Hamlets to get 9, and loose several weapons over trying to double meld, that guy spent more time playing, spent more gil, and worked a lot harder to get the same thing i cake walked.

In XI, it was a long progress but you were always guaranteed progress. You go into Dynamis you wont come out empty handed, you'd get at least some currency to plod you along. In XIV Relic you go into hamlet "hoping", that the computer lords dont shit on your day and keep giving you the 0.001% chance, and then later hope they dont break your weapons.

Its all dumb luck. No part of is "Hard" , its easy because you have literally no control over your progress, since it heavily relies on RNG.

Maybe some people are fine with that, but i don't like it personally.

[Arkine]

its called :not everyone will get one, it wont be easy, deal with it"

This is not "Not easy" this is "Random".

FFXI Relics were "not easy" and they weren't based around a random number generator.


What we have here:

Step 1 - takes effort.

Step 2 - Random number generator.

Step 3 - Only hard if you started the game this week and don't have 3 million Gil on you.

Step 4 - Random number generator.

Step 5 - A challenge.

Step 6 - Random number generator.

Taking the "not everybody should have them because unique snow flakes" out of the equation. We have this quest where half the steps are based on luck.

Can we get a real challenge for once?

They could have based the whole steps on beating very hard bosses, and you'll still feel special (I know that matters to some people) since not everybody will be skilled enough to win and get the relics and it'll be fun/challenging/shows that you're a decent player.

Instead we got 2 steps that's somewhat of a challenge, 2 that you just need to throw money at, and 2 where you repeat the same thing and hope for different results.

[Rau]

They should just make the seal drop guaranteed if you have over 60k points, and like 10% if you have over 50k points.

[Nilheim]

People seriously need to stop confusing luck and difficulty, it's getting annoying. There's nothing hard about doing the same easy thing dozens of times until Lady Luck smiles upon you and decides you can get your drop. It just makes you hate doing the content. I thought they'd learned this with Garuda's tokens, at least you were certain you were going to get something eventually and you had a rough estimate of when it would happen.

[Green_and_a_Half]

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RAWR guides

[Crysten]

xis weapons arent even close to comparing to these though, they were a MASSIVELY long process

this is just a few steps, that will take a bit of time and effort, and some luck

its not as bad as you are making it out to be

With XI's weapons, they took longer, but you always had a sense of progression. I know this first hand.

With XIV's weapons, they have the potential to take longer due to 50% of the questline being a diceroll.

I have already said I have no issue with spending months on a quest to complete the best weapon in the game. If it comes to the point where one guy finishes his weapon in a week due to being insanely lucky, whereas another guy is still stuck on the Hamlet stage after months of losing to the RNG, it's then we have a problem.

[Req]

The biggest problem I have with this, and probably the biggest crapshoot of them all is whether or not the hamlet you need the seals from is in level 2. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it need to be atleast level 2 to have a decent shot of getting even 1 seal let alone 3? The biggest issue at this point is we are relying on the community, because getting 2-3 millon freaking gathering points is a ridiculous task for a linkshell to try and do for a hamlet they are focused on. I don't know if this will pique interest or not, but atleast on gungnir we seem to have this horrible trend where everyone saves all of their mats up for a week then trades them all in to try and the top 20 so we end up with 6 hamlets below a million gathering point and once a week have one thats level 2 with about 11 million.

This trend is probably going to be even worse now that we are potentially going to need a top 20 provisioner present to even get the gold chest.

[HiirNoivl]

With XI's weapons, they took longer, but you always had a sense of progression. I know this first hand.

With XIV's weapons, they have the potential to take longer due to 50% of the questline being a diceroll.

I have already said I have no issue with spending months on a quest to complete the best weapon in the game. If it comes to the point where one guy finishes his weapon in a week due to being insanely lucky, whereas another guy is still stuck on the Hamlet stage after months of losing to the RNG, it's then we have a problem.

Now, now guys... come on.

This isn't for everyone. Not everyone's going to get this weapon. I understand if you personally are upset because you don't WANT to do this content and you were looking forward to it. It's disappointing to you personally because you want to get a weapon the way you wanted to, but you have to understand.

This is 1.0. They're NOT going to add the sort of long term content a la XI. This is not a long term game.

Would you rather they had waited until 2.0 to release the weapons? Can you imagine the uproar if they had made that announcement?

Also, this won't be the only long term high powered weapon in the game. I'm sure they'll come out with another set of weapons you can get over a long period AFTER 2.0. This is just the start.

If you don't want to do it this way, fine. They usually nerf the difficulty after a while anyway. Hahahaha!

POSTSCRIPT: I don't even feel comfortable calling this AF weapons. These weapons are just the beginning. They're the first JOB-SPECIFIC weapons, but they're not the be-all and end-all of end game.

[prymortal]

The problem I have is this does not reward loyalty, it doesn't reward dedication, it rewards dumb luck.

I could go do 30 hamlets and get all 9 seals, I could 1st time double meld, and be on my happy way to my relic. Someone else could do 1000 Hamlets to get 9, and loose several weapons over trying to double meld, that guy spent more time playing, spent more gil, and worked a lot harder to get the same thing i cake walked.

In XI, it was a long progress but you were always guaranteed progress. You go into Dynamis you wont come out empty handed, you'd get at least some currency to plod you along. In XIV Relic you go into hamlet "hoping", that the computer lords dont shit on your day and keep giving you the 0.001% chance, and then later hope they dont break your weapons.

Its all dumb luck. No part of is "Hard" , its easy because you have literally no control over your progress, since it heavily relies on RNG.

Maybe some people are fine with that, but i don't like it personally.

So true, so true, stupid moron current & past ff14 developers!
Anyway my opinion on these weapons is yoshi-p you can take them all, polish them up nice & shinny, turn them side ways & shove them up your roody poo candyass!!!!! there are no drop rates, double melds are dumb luck with a high emphasison DUMB!

& that doesn't even address the probliem's with leveling the crafting jobs just to craft them!
& not to menchion the lack of quests for seals & solo ways to get decent seals. (solo 1900 seals natourious monsters since they give the most seals = 3hours 40 mins & 38 anima yes i times & cheaked yesterday)
& the few other probliems i cant be bothered menchioning.
But i'll give you a hint it involves: AV & CC & that not many people actuly want to do hamlet

[Nilheim]

Now, now guys... come on.

This isn't for everyone. Not everyone's going to get this weapon. I understand if you personally are upset because you don't WANT to do this content and you were looking forward to it. It's disappointing to you personally because you want to get a weapon the way you wanted to, but you have to understand.

This is 1.0. They're NOT going to add the sort of long term content a la XI. This is not a long term game.

Would you rather they had waited until 2.0 to release the weapons? Can you imagine the uproar if they had made that announcement?

Also, this won't be the only long term high powered weapon in the game. I'm sure they'll come out with another set of weapons you can get over a long period AFTER 2.0. This is just the start.

If you don't want to do it this way, fine. They usually nerf the difficulty after a while anyway. Hahahaha!

POSTSCRIPT: I don't even feel comfortable calling this AF weapons. These weapons are just the beginning. They're the first JOB-SPECIFIC weapons, but they're not the be-all and end-all of end game.

People aren't complaining because it's a long term goal, every MMO needs those obviously. They're complaining because SE seemingly thinks it's a good idea to reward players based on luck and not on effort and/or skill. Granted, the more effort you put in it, the more chances you have of actually having a favorable RNG, but players have the right to be pissed off when they produce said effort and get NOTHING in return if they're unlucky.