job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

[Nikkita]

The BRD change is indeed unneccesary. Light Shot is NOT auto attack it is a skill, it takes up a spot on my action bar. No other classes auto attack works like Light Shot. Arc/Brd does in fact have auto attack I punch it in the face, or the rear as it may be. If you want to give me a real auto attack with arrows and then give me a real skill on my action bar, so be it to the change, other wise leave my reset of my timer for my SKILL alone. This is a nerf no if's and's or but's about it.

[Estellios]

Goring Blade and Riot blade's effects are pretty strong, though. It's really easy to get back attacks off when enemies are in the middle of weaponskills too.

If melee DD are buffed enough that they are very desirable to bring along to groups, PLD will be a lot more useful due to Holy Succor allowing the PLD to help the WHMs deal with AOE damage as well as Divine Veil's regen effect combined with regular Regen recovering an obscene amount of damage really quickly allowing melee to shrug off AOE damage.

Re: the BRD/ARC "nerf", it will really only affect like 2 of your weaponskills. The other WS animations are too long that you will be unable to shoot that your timer will be up anyway. As was said before, the melee can't auto-attack in between WS's without waiting for timers so bow attacks should work the same.

[Jynx]

Here is to hoping that PLD's are a better tank than WAR now...I really want to do focus on DD as my warrior not tank.

[SwordCoheir]

Yep just sing. All we really need, they're lowest tier DPS.

Lowest Tier? Maybe if you're using Warped or some other low level arrows, or not taking into consideration that arrows themselves have base a damage that's stacked with the bow. Put a Ifrit's Bow with Cobalt arrows in a competent players hands and let them go to town they can put the numbers up there with the rest of the DD classes with relative ease.

Not going to change unless they focus more on PLD, since the other problem is it has lower base HP than WAR does which gives it a slightly better survivability rate by default, but a good PLD is still a valuable asset to have. The main thing regarding WAR is it's also a DD which based on how enmity works in this game (as well as XI) damage is more constant generation in the long run which is what put WAR ahead, but PLD can work better for single target mobs if the PLD itself is well geared and prepared.

Agreed, but I'm half thinking the parry buff to Rampage might inadvertently backfire making WAR an even better mitigation tank depending on how significant the boost is.

[Req]

The BRD change is indeed unneccesary. Light Shot is NOT auto attack it is a skill, it takes up a spot on my action bar. No other classes auto attack works like Light Shot. Arc/Brd does in fact have auto attack I punch it in the face, or the rear as it may be. If you want to give me a real auto attack with arrows and then give me a real skill on my action bar, so be it to the change, other wise leave my reset of my timer for my SKILL alone. This is a nerf no if's and's or but's about it.

Seconding this. have no idea what square enix's mentality is with needing to balance the classes every damn patch. This has been a trend since ffxi and it needs to stop. What could their mentality possibly have been nerf archer and bard like this? Every other dd has auto attack that acts like light shot now will yes, but you also have to remember that every other DD class has high damage weapon skills. The only damaging weaponskill that is on par with say howling fist is quick nock and thats on a 3 minute cool down. Bloodletter gets an honorable mention but only if you stick the dot.

Make your classes and jobs fun to play, and stop shitting on the ones that already are.

[Laf]

Where's my 30s Quick Nock recast?!

[Estellios]

BRD doesn't need to position to combo and can stay out of range of AOE.

Seriously, you have songs and contribute so much more to a party no one is going to care if you can't get 2 extra shots total in a combo.

[Elexia]

In FFXIV's case: They're rebuilding the game from the ground up and have been proving time and and time again that there's a greater overarching plan in mind so what doesn't make sense now will with the next update along with 2.0, this is why they're rebalancing everything. In FFXI's case: They didn't rebalance "every VU" or even "every other", they only are now because of the cap raise and the world not technically raising along with it. (No new Add-on or Expansion designed solely for level 95-99 for example.)

BRD doesn't need to position to combo and can stay out of range of AOE.

Seriously, you have songs and contribute so much more to a party no one is going to care if you can't get 2 extra shots total in a combo.

They certainly don't care when I'm mostly there to deal with adds in Garuda or a buff-bitch >.>, hell people don't care to the point if the BRD is naked (especially in parties) as long as they sing their songs lol.

[Wevlum]

Seconding this. have no idea what square enix's mentality is with needing to balance the classes every damn patch. This has been a trend since ffxi and it needs to stop. What could their mentality possibly have been nerf archer and bard like this? Every other dd has auto attack that acts like light shot now will yes, but you also have to remember that every other DD class has high damage weapon skills. The only damaging weaponskill that is on par with say howling fist is quick nock and thats on a 3 minute cool down. Bloodletter gets an honorable mention but only if you stick the dot.

Make your classes and jobs fun to play, and stop shitting on the ones that already are.

Yeah but bard also get the easiest combos. Other DD have to line up their combos and often have their combos completely screwed up by mobs moving or turning especially with current primal fights. It's really not a 'nerf', the only thing it does is account for the auto attack delay that other classes have...if you don't agree it taking up a skill slot then maybe petition for archer to actually have an autoattack like they have in alot of other games now.

EDIT; an autoattack that isn't an ass-tarded punch.

[PartyTime]

Same reason they're boosting DRG, plus none of us are playing with the changes now to determine just how potent of a change it is.

The difference is that DRG is currently really in need of the boost it's the lowest DPS melee jobs there is where as mnk is one of the highest. A skilled player can easily and substantially out parse most other jobs on monk.

Monk is one of the classes I actually considered fairly balanced already.