Please no Perpetual Cost for Summoners!

[KoujiGeki]

Like the the title says please don't add a cost to keep Avatars out. For the longest time in 11 it was the biggest handicap for summoner reducing them to only lesser whms with a bigger mp pool. They only time you would see them having a avatar out was 99% of the time casting a quick buff then dismissing them. The 1% was those who used Carby and had the gloves making him free. Smn and rdm both were used in ways they were not intended.

The Elemental being the hugest waste of MP per sec they couldve been pretty cool to use, if it didnt suck your mp down. The only 3 times i found a use for them is 1 getting the hell outta there. 2 if the mob was almost dead but you avatar died just some the elemental to finish it off. 3 elemental siphon.

It really wasn't till Abyssea that SMN began to shine and where everyone started to lvl SMN were they could spam astral flow and spam Blood pacts with no fear of running out of MP. Cause of all the Perptual cost down gear that had stats that increase the avatars power at the same time instead of having 4 different macro sets to have have them stay out, for magic dmg, phy damage, or a siphon set.

Be honest how many ppl here pre 75 actually let summoner do what i was suppose to be or just had it as a Backup whm cause you couldnt find a rdm or whm to be main heal. The only times ppl had smn in a party was either to heal. Or you were in a Smn burn party in Koroloka Tunnel lol.

And finally the Avatars should not auto dismiss when you run out of mp. It should limit it to only auto attacking only if you run out of mp. It should only Dismiss if you do it or it dies. It should cost alot to summon it. and It should work like playing a class the avatars tp to use skills and combos but your mp to cast its magic attacks sounds like an even trade to me. cause its not like Smn is gonna run up and hit it unless SE makes it that way which i would love honestly lol.

please sign if you agree!

[Raldo]

Man, a lot of you guys have some kind of weird fixation on Summoner with all these threads.

[LlenCoram]

Man, a lot of you guys have some kind of weird fixation on Summoner with all these threads.

I agree. Clearly we need to shift focus as to why we don't have Musketeer in the game.

Moar Musketeer threads! I'm being dead serious here!

[Colino]

I agree. Clearly we need to shift focus as to why we don't have Musketeer in the game.

Moar Musketeer threads! I'm being dead serious here!

Hey, at least Musketeer is going to be in the game with 100% certainty.

[LlenCoram]

Hey, at least Musketeer is going to be in the game with 100% certainty.

This is true, and if I knew the date then I can assure you I'd have at least 10 countdown clocks going.

[Jokerz]

I agree. Clearly we need to shift focus as to why we don't have Musketeer in the game.

Moar Musketeer threads! I'm being dead serious here!

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[LlenCoram]

This is the most important comment in this thread.....

Anyone who thinks otherwise gets a shot in the leg > : D.

[Elexia]

Like the the title says please don't add a cost to keep Avatars out. For the longest time in 11 it was the biggest handicap for summoner reducing them to only lesser whms

This wasn't due to perp cost. Community shoehorning ≠ Disliking not having avatars out eternally. Look back to every FF game with summoning, there was always some kind of cost for using them, either large MP costs, dealing with a random effect or removing your entire party out of battle while it's there, there's always a cost.

The Elemental

They were thrown in for continuity sake. SMN enemies could use them so people would have complained if players didn't have access to them. They're used for restoring your MP.

Be honest how many ppl here pre 75 actually let summoner do what i was suppose to be or just had it as a Backup whm cause you couldnt find a rdm or whm to be main heal.

SMNs weren't backup WHMs in end-game pre nor post 75. A SMN with capped SMN skill and appropriate gear was a valuable asset to have.

And finally the Avatars should not auto dismiss when you run out of mp.

Why? You couldn't summon them in other FF games when you had inadequate MP/Points/level/Whathaveyou, that would be broken. If SMNs don't need MP to keep avatars out, I demand being able to WS without TP or even being engaged in a fight, I also demand to gain 3k TP every time I strike an opponent and remove recast on WS everytime I land a combo.

[Excer]

I always thought it was due to the TP the avatars gave to the mob not being worth the damage or something like that?

As someone who's main was SMN, it wouldn't have changed that much if the prep cost was removed - it would have just had less MP for other things due to a max mp reduction.

There was also equip to achieve 0 prep cost as well as Avatar's Favour later in the games life and people still didnt want the avatars kept out - except Diabolos in Dynamis. It wasn't the mp that was the problem.

[KoujiGeki]

This wasn't due to perp cost. Community shoehorning ≠ Disliking not having avatars out eternally. Look back to every FF game with summoning, there was always some kind of cost for using them, either large MP costs, dealing with a random effect or removing your entire party out of battle while it's there, there's always a cost.

ok. 1st off when leveling in a pt if a smn out of mp their dmg/healing/buffing out put is COMPLETELY gone. They cant do anything else. Unlike Blm which would have the same problem unless the Tank really stunk and need to back up heal the BLM is ONLY casting Black Magic. Unlike the Blm Smn is heal and or doing summons so they lose MP fast than Blm hence why they got the Biggest mp pool. And yes i stated the cost to summon the Avatar out like evry other FF out there with summoners in it. and to use there spells. there is your cost so Summoner is not broken or limited. Balance. FAIR



They were thrown in for continuity sake. SMN enemies could use them so people would have complained if players didn't have access to them. They're used for restoring your MP.

Ya no kidding. i mentioned that they are use for elemental siphon

SMNs weren't backup WHMs in end-game pre nor post 75. A SMN with capped SMN skill and appropriate gear was a valuable asset to have.

yes they were pre 75. when lvling a majority of the time they were ONLY healing unless there was a PL.

Why? You couldn't summon them in other FF games when you had inadequate MP/Points/level/Whathaveyou, that would be broken. If SMNs don't need MP to keep avatars out, I demand being able to WS without TP or even being engaged in a fight, I also demand to gain 3k TP every time I strike an opponent and remove recast on WS everytime I land a combo.

Obviously you never played FF10. and no shit you wouldn't be able to summon them if you didnt have the MP. i didnt even say that at all, im saying if you ran out of mp the Avatar can ONLY auto attack. Cause if the Pet goes away like in11 your damage is gone. Why bother having sumoner when you could just throw in a blm or another DD that isnt limited no dmg when they run outta mp.

I swear its like you only read bits and pieces of what i said.