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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denmo View Post
    Dragoon can be cool without having a dragon pet.

    I just... I don't get why people think otherwise. It's just...

    In my case, because 20 jobs that carry a weapon and hit stuff with nothing truly unique, Ok DRG jumps, otherwise it's just run up hit mob WS(animations change) repeat, yeah gear is different, WS animations are too, but that's just ascetics. A pet would really provide a change in mechanics, I get that keeping your pet alive takes work, and that having to master controlling a pet takes some time, and that BLM is the penultimate DD because it just has to hit A > B > C w/o getting resisted where melee DDs have to move around and that makes them more work.
    Really want to not have a pet find some other way to make unique mechanics on any job, not just DRG, DRG is just currently the one most easily adapted to it since they've already got the whole dragonkind bit included.

    On the note of lore, really they're going to remake the whole of the world, what's to say that the population of Humanoid friendly Dragonkind can't grow with that change. Seriously though if you can tear apart the world you can pretty much rewrite any lore you want.
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  2. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Denmo View Post
    Dragoon can be cool without having a dragon pet.

    I just... I don't get why people think otherwise. It's just...
    Same reason Yoshida himself acknowledged that all classes were basically "the same" and nothing "unique or specialized" about them and he wanted a change. So it can be "cool" with or without a pet, it's up to what SE wants, only pussies cried about a pet, I mean, a DRG in XI who knew how to work Drakesbane and Stardiver was a deadly DD...and it has a pet.

    A PUP who knew what they were doing were a very good DD and/or support, but people just want to be able to mindlessly attack stuck, alas is the present and future of MMO gamers and it's a sad one.
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    Same reason Yoshida himself acknowledged that all classes were basically "the same" and nothing "unique or specialized" about them and he wanted a change.
    You're right. Those space-alien-suit wearing, pole jumping, backwards leaping, long-range melee-ing dragoons aren't unique enough. They gotta have wyverns or else they're all JUST like those fist-weilding, close-ranging, dodge-happy, punch-kick-combo-ing monks.

    :|

    It's a DD class. Dress it up however you want, it will always be a DD class. The point of a DD class is to deal damage, wyvern or no. Adding a Wyvern pet will just only satiate the XI qq'ers who feel entitled by their 5-hour-waiting-for-party-loldrg days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denmo View Post
    Adding a Wyvern pet will just only satiate the XI qq'ers who feel entitled by their 5-hour-waiting-for-party-loldrg days.
    This is why other MMO developers gave players the ability to have a pet right? To satisfy the QQers from other MMOs? Are you that daft?
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    You're getting a chocobo pet. Sit down~
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    I love the way drg is right now can only imagine what it'll be later. I dont mind it not having a pet. But i also dont see a problem if SE could make an optional quest to allow you to get a drake pet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfarious View Post
    In my case, because 20 jobs that carry a weapon and hit stuff with nothing truly unique, Ok DRG jumps, otherwise it's just run up hit mob WS(animations change) repeat, yeah gear is different, WS animations are too, but that's just ascetics. A pet would really provide a change in mechanics, I get that keeping your pet alive takes work, and that having to master controlling a pet takes some time, and that BLM is the penultimate DD because it just has to hit A > B > C w/o getting resisted where melee DDs have to move around and that makes them more work.
    Really want to not have a pet find some other way to make unique mechanics on any job, not just DRG, DRG is just currently the one most easily adapted to it since they've already got the whole dragonkind bit included.

    On the note of lore, really they're going to remake the whole of the world, what's to say that the population of Humanoid friendly Dragonkind can't grow with that change. Seriously though if you can tear apart the world you can pretty much rewrite any lore you want.
    I would prefer gaining dragon abilities then becoming a crappy pet class, leave that to BST and PUP. Give me breaths and dragon magic! Also Dragoons should have a passive increased damage to dragonkin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krausus View Post
    I would prefer gaining dragon abilities then becoming a crappy pet class, leave that to BST and PUP. Give me breaths and dragon magic! Also Dragoons should have a passive increased damage to dragonkin.
    It would only be a "crappy" pet class if the implementation sucked, which it did in XI and that's all anyone seems to want to think about. BST PUP and SMN all had very useful pets, DRG pet failed because the implementation failed, not cause it's a shitty class to have a pet.

    Anyway I'm still not arguing whether it should or shouldn't, I don't really care all that much. I do however care about DRG having SOMETHING that makes it at least as desirable as all the other jobs currently are, you know except MNK and PLD which are ~DRG desirability. If those things come in the form of breath attacks that actually serve a purpose, or some other form of dragon blood magic, or w/e, right now the whole YAY I can jump thing isn't gettin it.

    It's sad that I've hung up the 2 jobs I wanted to play most (DRG 1st MNK 2nd) to play WAR in most content, and the job I wanted to tank on, is often times the one that people say, "Eh could you NOT play that." If DRG had a pet that provided the extra umph to make it comparable to BLM/BRD/WAR whether that omph was in the form of debilitating breath attacks, or more dmg, or w/e. Or if DRG had some of it's own attacks that could do those things, makes no real difference to me in the grand scheme, I just want to be able to play what I want w/o people saying, "Do you mind NOT playing that it's pretty shitty."
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    Interestingly, Enfaria, the Dragoon 'thing' that I saw ever since Lancer days was as the Melee AoE King, as well as burst crit damage but that's secondary.

    Can't say for sure if that still holds true, i've been doing mostly Ifrit those days or using other classes since LNC is already 50.
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    I just want to be able to play what I want w/o people saying, "Do you mind NOT playing that it's pretty shitty."
    I've solved this issue for myself by only leveling the stuff I want to play. If people are against me being a PLD tank, fuck 'em~

    Yeah I know, "good luck with that" is the proper response in this case... but I'm fairly confident that job balance will get evened out eventually.
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