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    Quote Originally Posted by Skies View Post
    My friend, I have been a Dragoon fanboy ever since Kain. And I do admit that a bit of a dragon aura aesthetic certainly could be added at a later point in time (Freya was my favorite! And look at how some of her abilities are styled), the only dragon I want to see my Dragoon summoning is the friggen Dragon Primal after my Free Company has his flesh for dinner and scales for armor.
    We're in the same ballpark then. Instead of a constant pet that requires rebalancing of the job, simply limit dragon access to special attacks with a modest cooldown (or other limiting factors).

    Otherwise we're just a glorified hopping lancer. (IMO)
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    You know what, if a Dragoon in FFXIV is going to have a Wyvern, he/she better damn well be flying on the little bastard like "Tecka-mon"!

    Only thing I want to add is, after I went through a trial to the death in FFIV, Kain was the only one standing(yeah, the paladin died too). Dragon gear + Blood spear + jump= STFU & GTFO & End of Debate! :P
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    This post is kinda old hat I do believe, but I toss in my two cents, since I remember it way when; Couldn't say anything when it was really on topic due to the fact my account was not up at the current time (and yes, I restarted. How I miss ye Besaid).

    Dragoons through most of the Final Fantasy games have not had wyverns/dragons BUT there has always been a connection to Dragoons with Dragons. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. There was really it seemed two sides of the Dragoons. Those that slayed the Dragon to gain its power and those that worked with the dragons, learning from it.
    However to say a Dragoon never teamed up with a Wyvern/Dragon is a lie in Final Fantasy History.

    Lets start with Final Fantasy II -
    Richard Highwind (Kain's adopted dad), used a Wyvern as a flying mount and worked with the Wyverns/Dragons. The term Dragoon here was used for those who were spear wielding individuals who rode on the backs of these beasts. In part of the story you actually go to the valley where the Wyverns are and you try to save one from dieing.

    Final Fantasy III - Nothing special to note here outside of being your standard Dragoons.

    Final Fantasy IV - Dragoon's get the Darkside / Holyside thing going on (by the time of After years), also becomes American's (I believe) first time seeing a Dragoon (Hi Kain), unaware that for a time he was connected to the dude in Final Fantasy II.

    Final Fantasy V - The first time Lancet shows up, which if I remember right.. allows you to learn moves.

    Final Fantasy VI - No Dragoon (BOOOO)

    Final Fantasy VII - Cid Highwind, Not exactly a dragoon, but he moves like one.

    Final Fantasy VIII - Ward Zabac, like Cid.

    Final Fantasy IX - Freya Crescent, everyone' favorite rat gal if you were a fan of the Dragoons. So up until her, you hadn't seen a true dragoon since 5 really. It was about time the Dragoons came back and she came back with her own Lancet and when she kills a dragon, she gains their skills.
    This represented in itself the first time people may have really gotten to see a Dragoon do such a thing, as I know 2 was not as popular as say 9. This is where you see the two sides of the Dragoons as well. Those that work with the Dragons and those that kill the Dragons to grow stronger.

    Final Fantasy X - Kimahri is a blue mage, Dragoon hybrid kinda guy. (kinda what inspired my direct on FFXI when Blue Mages came out later).

    Final Fantasy XI - The debate place. This is where you people are pointing at and going: "Remember that blue wyvern? We either love/hate it." (also the loldrg). They took the Final Fantasy II concept and gave it a minor twist. You had to go save the little Wyvern, some dude used it blood, and you had to slay him in order to prove that the Wyvern was not an evil creature.

    Aaaand then we move into new formula Final Fantasy Games..
    I'm also not going to get into Final Fantasy tactics.

    So really, it mostly depends if the players want to go the Final Fantasy II direction, or a later Final Fantasy version. Perhaps maybe even both.

    I always thought it would be interesting if Dragoon could have a sub group. You had those who worked with Dragons and those who were against the Dragons. Perhaps those that wanted to aid the dragons, got a wyvern which had to be raised, trained, and later as it leveled could also be used as a mount (if they ever allow us to control our own airships).

    The other group didn't use wyverns, instead they relied on their own brute strength to get them through a fight. Maybe having access to things like Lancet or if they killed a dragon-type mob they gained a stat boost for a duration of a time.

    In the end, I do love the Wyverns, but I am a massive dragon-fan on the side as well, but as this conversation goes. I just wanted to bring out the history of Dragoon onto the table, as it had yet to be done and from here, it really is up to the company what they believe is best for the game.
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    If you look at the dragoons AF armor set and compare it to Kain's armor you can tell they based their armor off it. So i say no pet but turn them into a job that should not be left behind when it comes to DPS maybe give it the highest crit damage or something and maybe lower the cool down on the combo's
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    I never leveled Dragoon higher than 20 in ffxi, but I loved the wyvern. In fact, it was the only reason that I opened the class. FFIV is my favorite ff in the series (1st that I played, so I am partial to it), so I know Kain didn't have a wyvern. However, if you play FF games then you know the lore and stories change for every game. If they added wyverns to 14, I would enjoy it but only if it makes sense with the story line.
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    *Checks*

    Nope, still seriously breaks FFXIV lore. No Wyvern this game. Again, I'm still in support of perhaps having an optional Wyvern mount/companion ala chocobo. But how to fit it into FFXIV lore is going to be a barrier the writers have to get through.

    Personally, I would just like to see better crit performance (higher crit damage and frequency, perhaps a piety mod on crits.)

    Otherwise I'm fairly content with "a Lancer that jumps".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    *Checks*

    Nope, still seriously breaks FFXIV lore. No Wyvern this game. Again, I'm still in support of perhaps having an optional Wyvern mount/companion ala chocobo. But how to fit it into FFXIV lore is going to be a barrier the writers have to get through.

    Personally, I would just like to see better crit performance (higher crit damage and frequency, perhaps a piety mod on crits.)

    Otherwise I'm fairly content with "a Lancer that jumps".
    If there are Dragons in Final Fantasy 14, which I do believe there are. Then there are Wyverns.
    As Wyverns, along with Great Wyrms, and Fire Lizards (sometimes argued Phoenixes) are all part of the Draconic family line.

    I will admit that even if they are not "pets" that fight with you. If you could even just ride one as a mount, I would be a happy camper (which I know was very common by the time of Final Fantasy 4 as it is brought up and it was the Airships that replaced the Dragon/Wyvern Mounts).
    Heck they could do it like the Chocobo System in FF11, where you get this egg, the egg hatches into a hatchling, you raise it up, until it is fully grown and becomes your mount. Thus having the Dragoon have a very close bond with their Dragon/Wyvern.

    Or if I just wanted to be 'silly' and even stare at myself for suggesting this:
    They could always have it where the Dragoon transforms into a Dragon/Wyvern for a short amount of time to get a massive boost to damage. (Divinity 2 anyone)

    But long story short. I just like to see Dragons/Wyverns/Lizards that Breath Fire NOOOM, play a bigger part than just a mob you poke at with a sharp stick. Cause the idea of taming one just is fascinating to me (pff Minigame~)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    *Checks*

    Nope, still seriously breaks FFXIV lore. No Wyvern this game. Again, I'm still in support of perhaps having an optional Wyvern mount/companion ala chocobo. But how to fit it into FFXIV lore is going to be a barrier the writers have to get through.

    Personally, I would just like to see better crit performance (higher crit damage and frequency, perhaps a piety mod on crits.)

    Otherwise I'm fairly content with "a Lancer that jumps".
    Not arguing whether we should or shouldn't have a pet, but if the current lore states that DRG's power is derived from dragons, and I don't remember it saying it had to be a dead one, just that the one had "turned" and needed to be "put down" like my old dog after biting one too many people, wouldn't there be plenty of room here for people to have "befriended" dragons(wyverns and other types alike), and perhaps even trained some to fight along side them, or as mounts?

    Don't forget the mounted thing is coming, get too many people saying "dragons can't be friendly, they are all evil" and we may well not get them ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfarious View Post
    Not arguing whether we should or shouldn't have a pet, but if the current lore states that DRG's power is derived from dragons, and I don't remember it saying it had to be a dead one, just that the one had "turned" and needed to be "put down" like my old dog after biting one too many people, wouldn't there be plenty of room here for people to have "befriended" dragons(wyverns and other types alike), and perhaps even trained some to fight along side them, or as mounts?

    Don't forget the mounted thing is coming, get too many people saying "dragons can't be friendly, they are all evil" and we may well not get them ...
    Hrm... Actually from what I remember, ALL of the dragons are bad and when the ONE that grants you power (which, according to the lore, there should only be ONE Azure Dragoon and that is what the Dragoon Job is, remember that Ishgard calls their cavalry Dragoons and The Azure Dragoon is their hero with special powers) awakens, all of them awaken as well and wreck havok to Ishgard.

    In fact there is even a great danger that comes with the power of the Azure Dragoon as shown in the last quest of the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skies View Post
    Hrm... Actually from what I remember, ALL of the dragons are bad and when the ONE that grants you power (which, according to the lore, there should only be ONE Azure Dragoon and that is what the Dragoon Job is, remember that Ishgard calls their cavalry Dragoons and The Azure Dragoon is their hero with special powers) awakens, all of them awaken as well and wreck havok to Ishgard.

    In fact there is even a great danger that comes with the power of the Azure Dragoon as shown in the last quest of the line.
    I may have to replay that CS, I did kinda fly through it lol
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