1.22 - 1.22a - 1.22b changes

[Aceofspades]

Waldo, your lost in the sauce. Just keep tanking on your WAR and leave PLD alone, if you cant handle it now, god forbid you try when content in wich PLD shines comes out... If your healer is just kick ass, then yeah, sure go with WAR , no reason not to, but since we cant all be AWSOME and most players are often avg, wich there is nothing wrong with that, ALOT of times, a good pld, who adds saftey to any party set up, is often a good choice. Personally If my healer atm was that awsome, prolly just have him/her go as THM and add more dps to make up what dps MAY be lacking, If any , Truthfully tho, WAR will obviously need more heals then PLD, soo whm would actually be able to nuke more often with pld then with war on avg , soo yeah....

[Zozma]

Waldo, your lost in the sauce. Just keep tanking on your WAR and leave PLD alone, if you cant handle it now, god forbid you try when content in wich PLD shines comes out... If your healer is just kick ass, then yeah, sure go with WAR , no reason not to, but since we cant all be AWSOME and most players are often avg, wich there is nothing wrong with that, ALOT of times, a good pld, who adds saftey to any party set up, is often a good choice. Personally If my healer atm was that awsome, prolly just have him/her go as THM and add more dps to make up what dps MAY be lacking, If any , Truthfully tho, WAR will obviously need more heals then PLD, soo whm would actually be able to nuke more often with pld then with war on avg , soo yeah....

Chill out man. And put away that butt-hurt attitude. I love PLD myself but its lackluster in performance. Can't you open your eyes and realise it.

If you doubled the healing ability of PLD you'll still have higher dmg output with WAR+ 100% healing WHM compared to PLD+25% healing/75% nuking WHM, heck, WAR alone outdmgs both a WHM and PLD combined. And yes I do have a nuking set on my WHM which is up to date for real stuff.

And in reality the rampage/second wind/featherfoot/foresight buffs of WAR (which I didnt take in consideration in previous statement) gives just even WAR more survivability.


I'd truely love to play PLD as a proper tank one day so don't get me wrong.

[waldo]

Waldo, your lost in the sauce. Just keep tanking on your WAR and leave PLD alone, if you cant handle it now, god forbid you try when content in wich PLD shines comes out... If your healer is just kick ass, then yeah, sure go with WAR , no reason not to, but since we cant all be AWSOME and most players are often avg, wich there is nothing wrong with that, ALOT of times, a good pld, who adds saftey to any party set up, is often a good choice. Personally If my healer atm was that awsome, prolly just have him/her go as THM and add more dps to make up what dps MAY be lacking, If any , Truthfully tho, WAR will obviously need more heals then PLD, soo whm would actually be able to nuke more often with pld then with war on avg , soo yeah....

First I need you to understand this isn't a personal attack against you.
Second I need you to learn how to click my name up there, check my character screen. After you've done that you'll see my warrior ( MRD actually ) is level 28. Matter of fact, paladin is my only DoW level 50.

[waldo]

Also Ace, I wanted to pull this up for you after following the instructions I left for you above. From:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...perience/page3

Tonight I actually healed a paladin in a random pug who made all Ifrit wins almost as smooth as silk for the most part. Tanked as good as any war. It was a pleasure to heal. The dps took care of them selves really well too for the most part. I could run away from cracks w/ no problems and throw out stoneskin/regen/cures to DD and the tank hardly ever went red. I feel as if I could definitely solo heal this paladin with no problems if needed.

On inspecting their gear they only had 1 piece of af gear on and that was the body. Their hp was right around 4 k and they didn't feel like a mana sink when I was healing them. They had some sentinel gear and some +hp materia but nothing looked like it would be too crazy for the average player to obtain.

It was really fun healing you tonight, Lilly Grace. I'll heal you anytime. /salute You definitely changed my mind about paladins. If you ever need a heals for AV/CC/Ifrit or Mog feel free to send me a tell ^_^ b

I have a fan. I must know how to play paladin after all!

[Raymeo]

...his habit of beating the same dead horses (PLDvsWAR anybody?) into the ground...

...nearly every thread that he participates in gets instantly derailed, with no hope of recovery...

...somehow incapable of learning from his peers...

Aww, damn it. The Ace of Spades has struck yet another productive thread, once again robbing the forums of their potential. I'm sorry, Renala. I enjoyed reading it while it lasted. May your thread rest in peace.

[Daniel_Fury]

Well, all I'm saying is paladin is subpar. Argue whatever stance you'd like, be it mitigation or dps or hit points or enmity or self heals, paladin is just not as effective. For anyone to say it is as effective, or more, you're lying to yourself.

Sure Doctor Mog can put videos up of whatever to prove it can be done, it's still a lot easier to do with a warrior though.

Completely and utterly correct. Noones saying PLD can't tank, but it is not as beneficial as WAR.

Hence, the nerf + buff in 1.22b.

Yoshi's admitted the value on WAR were set way too high, so of course, being overpowered, it is unbeatable.

[1clou]

Patch 1.22b will make PLD far superior for tanking. Pld was good to begin with, and dmg wasn't "horrible" when looking at what benefits it has to bring to the table for physical dmg, ie:Riot Blade which significantly lowers a monsters def a lot. Even just for Ifrit for example when defense down was active all physical DD were dealing 1.5-2x the damage they normally would do otherwise, which even though GLA/PLD aren't as beastly dmg wise as other classes, what they have to bring to the table for the party as a whole is far more significant than the dmg one person can deal otherwise.

The HP boost was one of the other big problems which is going to be relieved in this patch as well. We all know one of the biggest reasons we bring War to raids currently is because of their HP pool and that is it, and don't tell me it isn't. haha or else we would be having BLM/DRG tank XD. But if the HP boost is significant enough or on par with War we will see a lot more PLD tanking since they will have more hp to play with; and if done right can hold hate a lot better than War on a single target.

The dmg boost is nice as well of course since it will help with the speed run aspect of a lot of content if not all at the minute while still having very beneficial effect for other DD to amp up their dmg for a short period of time.

Overall I am looking quite forward to see how significant the changes will be and finally see PLD be more reliable in end game content without having the WHM sweat bullets because the tanks hp is so low after a big hit like 100t for example.

[Alerith]

I'd truely love to play PLD as a proper tank one day so don't get me wrong.

Even now, you can play PLD as a proper tank. It's still fully capable of seeing you through to victory. WAR is simply more efficient and in most cases the playerbase will take efficiency over anything.

[Aceofspades]

LOL, ok well "some day" I too hope you all can tank well on PLD, till that day, I guess I will just have to be satisfied with knowing few people can tank on PLD as efficiantly as a WAR right now. Just lost as to why people are constantly crying about how much damage a block dose and yet the refuse to stack vit or def, complain about how much hate a pld pulls totaly disreguard the benifits of party cures and buffs like Rampart, and my personal favorite, cry about how little dps a TANK of all things dose and yet refuse to realize how much more beinficial it is for frontline DPS jobs to have a PLD over a WAR as main tank... soo yeah, to each their own, and I can certainly agree to disagree. But please let me re-establish, just because YOU can not do somthing, no matter how good you THINK you are, dose not mean it can not be done. As far as your fan Waldo, umm, grats, I think. Soo you managed to make a healer belive that a PLD can handle one healer, altho at l the time you still had two healers in gear that obviously did not support your natural abilities or stats that a pld's actions are based off of. Soo , good job, seriously, for somone with only one lvl 50 job, You did well, and I mean that, NOW , focus on completly removing the need for the second healer. Once you do that, obvously add the most aproriate way to add more dps, wich isnt always adding another dd job, somtimes it includes adding a job that can deliver buffs (brd) to enhance the dds that are currently in set up. Sorry If my previous statement looked like a personal attack, but in a forum full of people who insist on telling everyone that WAR is far superior, without obviously trying the , imo, obvious solutions to the current problems with PLD. These forums make me a little disapointed to be honest, always figured the best of the best players posted here when questions were asked and factiual answers are being sought out. Sadly I have found that alot of players jump to conclusions and simply post what they THINK is correct and post in such a way it sounds like fact, then when somone aposes the mass concensus and says "it can be done better with PLD" well , simply dub that person as crazy, stupid, ect ect, nevermind the fact he/she can prove it can be done.
Meh, to each their own, I guess I should be greatfull, vit and def materia has been super cheap, as well as some of the tank gear that would otherwise be realy expensive if people put any value into a PLD tank. Soo I guess Cheers to that

[Brannigan]

LOL, ok well "some day" I too hope you all can tank well on PLD, till that day, I guess I will just have to be satisfied with knowing few people can tank on PLD as efficiantly as a WAR right now. Just lost as to why people are constantly crying about how much damage a block dose and yet the refuse to stack vit or def, complain about how much hate a pld pulls totaly disreguard the benifits of party cures and buffs like Rampart, and my personal favorite, cry about how little dps a TANK of all things dose and yet refuse to realize how much more beinficial it is for frontline DPS jobs to have a PLD over a WAR as main tank... soo yeah, to each their own, and I can certainly agree to disagree. But please let me re-establish, just because YOU can not do somthing, no matter how good you THINK you are, dose not mean it can not be done. As far as your fan Waldo, umm, grats, I think. Soo you managed to make a healer belive that a PLD can handle one healer, altho at l the time you still had two healers in gear that obviously did not support your natural abilities or stats that a pld's actions are based off of. Soo , good job, seriously, for somone with only one lvl 50 job, You did well, and I mean that, NOW , focus on completly removing the need for the second healer. Once you do that, obvously add the most aproriate way to add more dps, wich isnt always adding another dd job, somtimes it includes adding a job that can deliver buffs (brd) to enhance the dds that are currently in set up. Sorry If my previous statement looked like a personal attack, but in a forum full of people who insist on telling everyone that WAR is far superior, without obviously trying the , imo, obvious solutions to the current problems with PLD. These forums make me a little disapointed to be honest, always figured the best of the best players posted here when questions were asked and factiual answers are being sought out. Sadly I have found that alot of players jump to conclusions and simply post what they THINK is correct and post in such a way it sounds like fact, then when somone aposes the mass concensus and says "it can be done better with PLD" well , simply dub that person as crazy, stupid, ect ect, nevermind the fact he/she can prove it can be done.
Meh, to each their own, I guess I should be greatfull, vit and def materia has been super cheap, as well as some of the tank gear that would otherwise be realy expensive if people put any value into a PLD tank. Soo I guess Cheers to that

You have not completed any current content. Paladin can do things, warrior just does them better at the moment. Please stop posting these giant unbroken walls of text.