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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    No, not because I say it's so. It's because speed CC, speed AV, Garuda, 40,000 point hamlet defense runs, ect ect are all dominated by the tanking class: warrior.

    I'm not mad about it. Most everything, including people, generally follow the path of least resistance. I don't blame anyone for going that route. I'm really not even a little upset, but why do people have so much of a problem calling a spade a spade? If it is easier to go warrior it's easier, what's wrong with saying paladin is not up to par with the current warrior class?

    Is the community so afraid of the warrior nerf stick they'll play blind to the glaring differences? I dont need to prove a thing to you or anyone else, let the demographics do it. More often than not, these things are done (successfully) with the warrior as tank.
    wait, we have proven it can be done on PLD ... , and you said it yourself, I know I have said it a million times, one of the biggest reasons people perfer WAR of PLD is because it is easier to do.... wich is fine with me, if you have no patience or the mental capacity to learn how to play PLD then go with war, I realy dont care, but you can not claim WAR is better simply because the majority is either too lazy or ignorant to learn to do PLD. WAR is a great tank soo long as there is no real risk to the tank as far as taking damage, lucky for WAR there is no real challange to test tanks, proof of that would be videos of tanks in reindeer suits tanking bosses or thms and whms tanking bosses. Dose not sound like a fight I would boast about. Soo in conclusion if you like to tank on WAR then go for it, I realy dont care, But I will always take less damage then you, hold hate well enough to tank anything you can tank and be more capable to remove the need for healers from a party, these , mind friend are all facts. Could I prove it? I'm sure I could but why?, you already said dr mog posted video of it being done and you still refute that. Soo in short , If I post somthing anymore in terms of video or parse It will be somthng worthy of noterity. But GL with tanking on your war, enjoy
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    haha, I just saw that 40,000 point hamlet defense run part, omfg dont make me laugh, your or anyones war can not contribute anymore then a 50 crafter or gatherer on hamlet ....
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    I don't think PLD is any harder than WAR lol. It has pretty much the same amount of hate tools, lower dps, and meh cures <_<. WAR is a better tank just for the fact it does good DPS while being able to keep hate off fully decked out Melees/BLMs, at least for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    Well, all I'm saying is paladin is subpar. Argue whatever stance you'd like, be it mitigation or dps or hit points or enmity or self heals, paladin is just not as effective. For anyone to say it is as effective, or more, you're lying to yourself.

    Sure Doctor Mog can put videos up of whatever to prove it can be done, it's still a lot easier to do with a warrior though.
    Completely and utterly correct. Noones saying PLD can't tank, but it is not as beneficial as WAR.

    Hence, the nerf + buff in 1.22b.

    Yoshi's admitted the value on WAR were set way too high, so of course, being overpowered, it is unbeatable.
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    the conclusion is aceofspades know how to tank with PLD, while others dont. ok.
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    The tanking part of PLD is just fine. Most times I've tanked there was no enmity problems, but if you look at the whole picture the total dmg output from the PT is not worth it.
    When you got a 6 DPS, WHM, Tank setup its kinda obvious if you wanna stick with the tank who deals 5k dmg or the one that deals 20k.

    I even tried tanking Garuda on PLD, its really fine some blocks and self-healing really helps out, but it still just dosnt make up for the loss of 1 DPS. (When compared to WAR who tanks with little to none DPS penalty)

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    Yes, I said videos have been posted proving it can be done on paladin, the speed runs. I've not seen a video of Garuda with paladin though. Even then I'm sure it can be done, does that make it easier? Of course not. In an era where it takes less than a week to level warrior to 50, I cannot fault anyone for taking a warrior. It's just easier.

    You can maybe win, or you can probably win. Even with paladin as my main class... I'd take the 'probably win.'
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    Waldo, your lost in the sauce. Just keep tanking on your WAR and leave PLD alone, if you cant handle it now, god forbid you try when content in wich PLD shines comes out... If your healer is just kick ass, then yeah, sure go with WAR , no reason not to, but since we cant all be AWSOME and most players are often avg, wich there is nothing wrong with that, ALOT of times, a good pld, who adds saftey to any party set up, is often a good choice. Personally If my healer atm was that awsome, prolly just have him/her go as THM and add more dps to make up what dps MAY be lacking, If any , Truthfully tho, WAR will obviously need more heals then PLD, soo whm would actually be able to nuke more often with pld then with war on avg , soo yeah....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aceofspades View Post
    Waldo, your lost in the sauce. Just keep tanking on your WAR and leave PLD alone, if you cant handle it now, god forbid you try when content in wich PLD shines comes out... If your healer is just kick ass, then yeah, sure go with WAR , no reason not to, but since we cant all be AWSOME and most players are often avg, wich there is nothing wrong with that, ALOT of times, a good pld, who adds saftey to any party set up, is often a good choice. Personally If my healer atm was that awsome, prolly just have him/her go as THM and add more dps to make up what dps MAY be lacking, If any , Truthfully tho, WAR will obviously need more heals then PLD, soo whm would actually be able to nuke more often with pld then with war on avg , soo yeah....
    Chill out man. And put away that butt-hurt attitude. I love PLD myself but its lackluster in performance. Can't you open your eyes and realise it.

    If you doubled the healing ability of PLD you'll still have higher dmg output with WAR+ 100% healing WHM compared to PLD+25% healing/75% nuking WHM, heck, WAR alone outdmgs both a WHM and PLD combined. And yes I do have a nuking set on my WHM which is up to date for real stuff.

    And in reality the rampage/second wind/featherfoot/foresight buffs of WAR (which I didnt take in consideration in previous statement) gives just even WAR more survivability.


    I'd truely love to play PLD as a proper tank one day so don't get me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zozma View Post
    I'd truely love to play PLD as a proper tank one day so don't get me wrong.
    Even now, you can play PLD as a proper tank. It's still fully capable of seeing you through to victory. WAR is simply more efficient and in most cases the playerbase will take efficiency over anything.
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