Trends in content types and faux difficulty

[Nullie]

I'll leave all the big parts out to make this a lot easier. Haha sorry. Just having a discussion.

Ok ok. What I'm trying to say is you should play the game how you most enjoy it.

Agree 100% on.

The argument is that the drops should be skill based, but that is coming from someone who rushed through the content only to get pissed at never getting the gear they wanted.

Go on...

I'm just trying to put in some perspective. Right now, the gear isn't helping you because there's no content after.

So what you're basically saying is that people shouldn't really worry about this content "now" because there's nothing after it so when there is people should worry about it then? But then there will be a rush when needed (if needed which it won't be because I don't think winning the game requires gear only) you have to do it then. So why not get it out of the way now while there is nothing else to do?

If you play the game only as long as you enjoy it, the chances are that the odds remain the same and you come out with no gear. The difference is that you only enjoyed the game and didn't drive yourself beyond that. If you enjoy 200 speed runs, then do it. If you can only enjoy 20 speed runs, do 20 and save more runs for another day.

Completely agree. And there is no way to tell if you're taking your time whether it is 2 times a day or 200 times a day. Its how you see it, right? But there is really no way for me that taking your time with it will amount to the same enjoyment. Especially with the frustration of not getting anything on top of it countless times.

Of course there are those that find enjoyment in having the gear and not the enjoyment in getting it. I have no solution for them except to try and look at it with a different perspective. You don't really have a use for the item yet, so no rush.

But that is enjoyment in it self which is all that matters and with it you're enjoying part of the game. I myself don't enjoy the poison in aurum vale. I wish it wasn't there and it would make my role a lot easier, but it is part of the game and a challenge you have to pass.

So please don't misunderstand. I am saying Play the game to your enjoyment. Take your time, rush it, but don't make the game a chore. My condolences go out to those of you with "ocd" and just have to get 100% immediately.

And I think that is the point this thread is about. The blame is not 100% on the players as it is not 100% on the devs either. But a mixture of both. You have people blaming the players and other people blaming the devs. I know this content will become outdated eventually. Just like you said this is just temporary end game content. The only choice you have now at getting something from doing this is by meeting certain conditions. (one which you have to RUSH through, mind you can't take your time with) and then you have a low % at getting something and then if you do there are 8 people there. I wouldn't mind it if this were true end game content, but right now it is just blah. I just wish there should at least be at least another option for those who have been quite unfortunate without benefiting those who have been extremely lucky. S.E. put this out for us to do and the items there for us to want and if they wanted us to have a time limit on how much we should do it per day there would be, but there isn't and when you play their game because you want to support the game to continue to exist I just feel like there should at least be some other option with as easy as this is beaten right now.

[MrKupo]

I'll leave all the big parts out to make this a lot easier. Haha sorry. Just having a discussion.Agree 100% on.Go on... So what you're basically saying is that people shouldn't really worry about this content "now" because there's nothing after it so when there is people should worry about it then? But then there will be a rush when needed (if needed which it won't be because I don't think winning the game requires gear only) you have to do it then. So why not get it out of the way now while there is nothing else to do? Completely agree. And there is no way to tell if you're taking your time whether it is 2 times a day or 200 times a day. Its how you see it, right? But there is really no way for me that taking your time with it will amount to the same enjoyment. Especially with the frustration of not getting anything on top of it countless times.
But that is enjoyment in it self which is all that matters and with it you're enjoying part of the game. I myself don't enjoy the poison in aurum vale. I wish it wasn't there and it would make my role a lot easier, but it is part of the game and a challenge you have to pass.


And I think that is the point this thread is about. The blame is not 100% on the players as it is not 100% on the devs either. But a mixture of both. You have people blaming the players and other people blaming the devs. I know this content will become outdated eventually. Just like you said this is just temporary end game content. The only choice you have now at getting something from doing this is by meeting certain conditions. (one which you have to RUSH through, mind you can't take your time with) and then you have a low % at getting something and then if you do there are 8 people there. I wouldn't mind it if this were true end game content, but right now it is just blah. I just wish there should at least be at least another option for those who have been quite unfortunate without benefiting those who have been extremely lucky. S.E. put this out for us to do and the items there for us to want and if they wanted us to have a time limit on how much we should do it per day there would be, but there isn't and when you play their game because you want to support the game to continue to exist I just feel like there should at least be some other option with as easy as this is beaten right now.

It seems we have finally come to a crossroads, and I agree with you. It seems we never really disagreed in the first place. And as for future content, it does make sense. But what if the content doesn't come out like most are predicting? Will people get mad at devs when they come out with content that makes all current primal gear useless? For example, a boss that is impervious to Wind. Those that took the time to get the gear yes. I would. Which is why I wait... When it is obvious that I need the gear, I'll make the time to get it. That's just the way I play. =D

[Nullie]

It seems we have finally come to a crossroads, and I agree with you. It seems we never really disagreed in the first place. And as for future content, it does make sense. But what if the content doesn't come out like most are predicting? Will people get mad at devs when they come out with content that makes all current primal gear useless? For example, a boss that is impervious to Wind. Those that took the time to get the gear yes. I would. Which is why I wait... When it is obvious that I need the gear, I'll make the time to get it. That's just the way I play. =D

If content doesn't show or come out that is not the players fault. That is solely on the Devs and the longer they wait to release new stuff the longer time they'll have people who may quit the game. And players can only drag out content so long even if they go slow and take their time. The whole game in itself is content regardless of what you're doing so even if I'm spamming av or fishing or crafting I'm spamming the same thing over and over.