Integrity matters

[IvyTee]

If competitive integrity mattered to SE they would deal with the rampant cheating and scripting problem you see in Ranked CC every day. Trying to climb to omega rank alone is enough to make you want to quit because the amount of players who use scripts becomes shockingly clear. And not only that, but on this forum you'll see people immediately become hostile towards this post for the simple fact that they support plugin abuse and a post like mine is a threat, despite the fact that SE does not apply TOS consistently. Unfortunately many streamers who have openly shown they use scripts to cheat in PvP get away with it all the time. Bans for cheating are few and far between. That needs to change and there needs to be real consequences for ruining another player's time when engaging in a competitive game mode.

At this point in time, there is zero competitive integrity. You don't get to the top of the leaderboards without cheating, that's the kind of environment PvP is right now. That is irrefutable. And that's without bringing up the Win-Trading. The feast was just like this, and now CC ranked has the same issues. This is not what you pay a sub for, to deal with cheating scum.

When it comes to glamour changing software or mods like that, I don't really know anything about that, but as someone who has engaged with PvP a lot I personally despise how much the cheaters have gotten away with. They have completely ruined my PvP experience. That's not what I pay a sub fee for. I want a game without bots or scripting. Both of which are against TOS.

[IvyTee]

Just a word of advice, please stay safe and don't take any spats or disagreements too seriously. these (and not just these) forums are being monitored and brigaded whenever convenient.
Upvotes, reports, slide posts, name calling, playing dumb, straw mans, hear no evil-see no evil, .. Just save your energy and mental state.

Jokingly, you're not paying Square enough to be a policeman in your country. The only one that sends out ninjas like that is Nintendo.

This man is completely right. There definitely are posts you'll see here which are blatantly dishonest or made with the intent of attacking you to get a rise out of you. Of course there are players who cannot be reasoned with. People who have no good argument so they resort to straw-mans and reductive/dismissive approaches. A forum is a place to discuss and have a dialogue, but that's the furthest thing some are interested in, because they're just here to gaslight you into silence or accuse you of things they're guilty of themselves. Some people absolutely seethe at being called out and they can't handle it, so you'll definitely make someone mad eventually here. Even if you're just being genuine or sharing your opinion.

This forum is far from the only place like that, of course, but those people are here. And they're not hard to spot. My advice is pick your battles, some are not worth wasting your time on, for sure.

[Solowing]

If competitive integrity mattered to SE they would deal with the rampant cheating and scripting problem you see in Ranked CC every day. Trying to climb to omega rank alone is enough to make you want to quit because the amount of players who use scripts becomes shockingly clear. And not only that, but on this forum you'll see people immediately become hostile towards this post for the simple fact that they support plugin abuse and a post like mine is a threat, despite the fact that SE does not apply TOS consistently. Unfortunately many streamers who have openly shown they use scripts to cheat in PvP get away with it all the time. Bans for cheating are few and far between. That needs to change and there needs to be real consequences for ruining another player's time when engaging in a competitive game mode.

At this point in time, there is zero competitive integrity. You don't get to the top of the leaderboards without cheating, that's the kind of environment PvP is right now. That is irrefutable. And that's without bringing up the Win-Trading. The feast was just like this, and now CC ranked has the same issues. This is not what you pay a sub for, to deal with cheating scum.

When it comes to glamour changing software or mods like that, I don't really know anything about that, but as someone who has engaged with PvP a lot I personally despise how much the cheaters have gotten away with. They have completely ruined my PvP experience. That's not what I pay a sub fee for. I want a game without bots or scripting. Both of which are against TOS.

When you leave Integrity up to a trust system...

That's like , taking down the cameras at a walmart and expecting no to steal lol

[Turtledeluxe]

By this logic then anyone who finds anthros or certain kinds of monster girls/boys should be getting mass-labeled as zoophiles and necrophiles (and other kinds of philes I'm sure), and yet that doesn't seem to happen.

They are. Congratulations to your finally understanding. You say this doesn't happen, but it does. If people start intensely sexualizing these things and make it clear that they find them attractive in that specific way, then yes, they are made fun of.

Hell, a sizable amount of fictional smut is full of rape, incest, and cuckoldry among other dubious kinks (with two of these things being illegal)

This type of thing is illegal, so again, you're pointing to something that is socially ostracized.

even within JUST the context of sexual attraction in fictional form, the specific targeting of underage characters doesn't seem to hold up, and people are being selectively prudent for no sensible reason

It holds up unequivocally. Pointing to Final Fantasy XIV is false equivalence, as I've already demonstrated, and here we see you are just circularly going back to the same point over and over and over. The reason this is being discussed is because pedophiles are involved in different cases in Final Fantasy XIV. It's important to denote here that just because you're part of this group doesn't necessarily you're engaging in the same crimes they did, for a reason I will point out below.

uppose it does vary by country, but then I admit I wouldn't think highly of any that engage in such widespread and accepted hypocrisy while trying to tout themselves as somehow "morally higher".

That isn't the point of the statement at all. You said that there's no way to qualify it, and I'm just proving you wrong. It has been qualified.

fictional crime = will do real crime" then they should be treating all fictional crime the same because it all carries the same "risk" in their strange little minds, instead of picking and choosing what they give a free pass to where I have no doubt that the actual reason they WON'T do that is because they don't enjoy "knowing what it feels like" to have one's fictional tastes, and nothing else, be used to condemn them.

You didn't see this, though. That's the point. People are equating you with being a pedophile, which actually does not require a specific legal adjudication or clinical diagnosis. In other words, you don't actually need to commit any single action or hold any one quality to be called that except for the attraction to underage children.

This is also why I brought up the wedding cake example because even in places where it's totally legal, that does not protect you from social ostracization. So when you say that it's legal, that's all well and good, but people can still treat you however they want (within the law obv). By extension if you start sexualizing, anthropomorphic characters, or you start watching incest pornography.

This man is completely right. There definitely are posts you'll see here which are blatantly dishonest or made with the intent of attacking you to get a rise out of you.

I completely disagree. I think it's obvious when someone is trolling. Sometimes people genuinely believe what they are saying.

[VigilantofStendarr]

Bruh why the hell is this a csam thread

[Sigma5]

He related mods to actual "cheese pizza" and made everyone crashout. It's pretty funny. It was good bait, he got a bunch of people.

[JohnLakeside]

Then by this same logic we all stand accused of being murderers among other crimes for the audacity of playing Final Fantasy 14, to say nothing else of what we might be labeled as depending on what other fictional media we've ingested, regardless of whether it was used for gratification or entertainment.

I know for a fact that a sizable portion of Final Fantasy 14 players are also fans of Berserk, hence the Miura tribute some years back, and that work CERTAINLY contains content that would be deemed criminal by this criteria (including sexual assault of children characters no less), or how the developers can in fact be deemed people of no moral fiber and enablers of criminal activity as the topic creator implies given we know that Yoshi-P himself plays things like Elden Ring and watches Gundam, which are hardly sunshine and rainbows.

And it would be one thing if the people eager to burn me at the stake over loli/shota stuff were throwing themselves on the pyre too, and yet I don't see the topic creator or any other of my accusers doing so. By all accounts they should be getting condemned and ostracized all the same, but they instead try to tout themselves as concerned parties and wannabe internet heroes when they're no more or less guilty of "thought crimes" as anyone else here. Bare minimum they should be accusing me of psychopathy as much as pedophilia for the other games I played and showed evidence of playing, but they won't even do that, and we both know its because it would be "self-reporting" as they call it to be forced to view all fictional crime equally, when its so much easier to pretend there's a distinction, and of course THEIR crime-riddled content is somehow exempt.

It's very "rules for thee, not for me" coded, and that's why I can't take any of their accusations seriously. Thankfully, the majority of the people here do understand the difference between fiction and reality, brainlet laws be damned, and nobody sensible actually believes me, you, or anyone else here is an actual criminal threat, and the only ones who do think like that were getting mocked and countered before I got rolling (I'm just the "loudest" detractor, not the most effective). I think there's maybe... 3 people who think poorly of me after all this? And they themselves are people of low character so I don't really care what they think and already put them on ignore, I reckon they did the same to me. Everyone wins.

Anyway, I've emphasized before that there's nothing wrong with finding loli/shota content its self to be gross, weird, or offensive because as mentioned, there's no set-standard for how someone is supposed to react, it's a personal choice, the same way one might avoid certain genres or entire franchises because of the material contained within them. I know there's people out there that will accuse a person for being "weak" or "cowardly" because they can't tolerate certain fictional content, but people are entitled to their preferences when it comes to what they want to read/watch/play so long as it doesn't hurt any real people, and I prefer to think that the grand majority of people ingesting fictional content with criminal depictions, including this game, are not being influenced to commit those same criminal acts.

Wait... are you categorizing the creation and consumption of loli/shota as a “personal choice”? Or are you trying to lowkey defending it by saying, “It’s not as bad as the real thing, so who are we to judge?” Because if you are, that’s kind of a weird position to take. Because even if it’s not as bad as the real thing, it’s still really, really, really, really, really, really, and infinitely bad.

Edit: Holy smokes, you've mad some disturbing admissions in this thread. What the heck, man. Seriously, those are kids.

[BigCheez]

How has this thread not been closed yet?

[ZavosEsperian]

Holy...what happened in this thread...

Then by this same logic we all stand accused of being murderers among other crimes for the audacity of playing Final Fantasy 14, to say nothing else of what we might be labeled as depending on what other fictional media we've ingested, regardless of whether it was used for gratification or entertainment.

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And it would be one thing if the people eager to burn me at the stake over loli/shota stuff were throwing themselves on the pyre too, and yet I don't see the topic creator or any other of my accusers doing so. By all accounts they should be getting condemned and ostracized all the same, but they instead try to tout themselves as concerned parties and wannabe internet heroes when they're no more or less guilty of "thought crimes" as anyone else here. Bare minimum they should be accusing me of psychopathy as much as pedophilia for the other games I played and showed evidence of playing, but they won't even do that, and we both know its because it would be "self-reporting" as they call it to be forced to view all fictional crime equally, when its so much easier to pretend there's a distinction, and of course THEIR crime-riddled content is somehow exempt.

There are many evils in this world, and going by current trends, the most morally reprehensible crimes that someone can commit always involve children. Of all the crimes out there to be told found guilty of, CSA is probably the most damaging one of them all with good reason. CSAM, which is largely produced via CSA, is one of the most forbidden things someone can possess. You really shouldn't be shocked its fictional counterpart is equally as judged when compared to other depictions of crime.

It's very "rules for thee, not for me" coded, and that's why I can't take any of their accusations seriously. Thankfully, the majority of the people here do understand the difference between fiction and reality, brainlet laws be damned, and nobody sensible actually believes me, you, or anyone else here is an actual criminal threat, and the only ones who do think like that were getting mocked and countered before I got rolling (I'm just the "loudest" detractor, not the most effective). I think there's maybe... 3 people who think poorly of me after all this? And they themselves are people of low character so I don't really care what they think and already put them on ignore, I reckon they did the same to me. Everyone wins.

I do know of some people, usually people who are in different circles of degeneracy, who will absolutely go to bat for fictional content of underaged characters because they view it as a buffer to their own various fetishes being on the frontline of being banned/made illegal. Others are free speech absolutist types who really stick to their guns on that, regardless of what it is.

[LanaC]

What happened to integrity?