Integrity matters

[Turtledeluxe]

And suddenly I'm on a side... I don't know which side I'm on but umm... Go team? I guess?

Explain how the thread is unproductive if it got positive reception and shows that at least a segment of the game population agrees with these points, even if they don't agree with every single thing.

Additionally I would say it's going off topic because the trolls who got the other topic similar to this close successfully and are trying to do it to this thread as well, because they don't like that we are exposing the corrupt leadership and community.

Aidon and their sympathizers, the same people who would share your sentiment are career bootlickers who we can go back to ancient threads from years ago (and I have) to see them sabotaging and playing defense force.

[Alice_Rivers]

The thread had some valid points to be addressed about content and broader game design creating ground for modding along with the devs laissez faire attitude toward said mods perpetuating them. Unfortunately the people who were discussing the actual merits got drowned out by the pro-mod/anti-mod argument which has devolved into the last twenty pages of circular arguments that benefit exactly nobody and furthers none of the points of discussion at the start of the thread. I'm surprised, honestly, that the moderators haven't deleted the thread yet.

[Turtledeluxe]

I think looking at the last few posts of the people who are pro-mod clearly demonstrate what's wrong with the thread at this point and it doesn't merit that it needs to be deleted, it means their absurdity must be exposed as it has been until they leave it to die an natural death, which is to remain in the forums as a point of reference.

[Sigma5]

His library is short and sweet. He has serious balls putting blue archive on his machine and posting it, jane doe, ju fufu best girls. I can dig it.

[Nokuushi]

It really feels like people who engage in CSAM, loli/shota, all those things, hate being called out and put on spotlight. Almost as if they're doing something... weird? Or know people see it as weird. Maybe because... it is weird?

Only way this whole situation gets resolved, and not swept under rug, is if people start talking and tagging developers and SE on social media. Mr.Ozma got 1 not very nice post about him and his design of BST, and had to retweet it. So that's where they listen, not here.
Or again, big outside youtubers and gaming magazines start talking about it, sounds like amazing question to Yoshi P in next JP fanfest.

And to all victim complex modders, Nobody want's to take away all mods, if you want to make mod-beast do it, however there is hard limit on some things. Like making underage nude models. Those sort of mods shouldn't be up. And majority of modding spaces agrees, with how multiple groups banned Chunni and rest of those degens.

I will say wild thing again and leave: Pedophila is bad. You shouldn't defend people who do it. Imagining underage characters naked in your head isn't normal or healthy. Using soft words to hide ugly truth. It's Pedophilia. Not shota/Loli/CSAM No. It's young girl or boy being sexulised.

Edit: SE was informed about this by Bald Streamer it seems like. Now I guess we will all see if they act, or turn the other way as usuall. As always, Disgusting things are fine as long as they're not in your face, and they pay sub.

[VigilantofStendarr]

I was gonna come in here and rant about North Horn bots. Literally saw 6 of them tonight in a single CE. A new record for me.

But WTF is this thread lmao. Yeah whoever started talking about visual mods needs to stop polluting every thread with this stupid agenda

[Reinha]

if someone is making and/or consuming this type of fictional NSFW content in country where they live is legal then it's something you can't do anything about it, no matter how much you find it disgusting and morally wrong.

You can do something about it though. You can give your opinion about it on the forums and other social media and spread the word about the people consuming this content. Social ostracization is a powerful tool and I can't think of a better group that needs to be reined in than pedophiles who are flaunting their proclivities in the open.

[Turtledeluxe]

But it's gratification all the same, or entertainment rather. My whole point is that I don't treat different kinds of fiction with different judgements, because for me at least, that would be hypocritical, and I can't make sense of treating them differently. If I'm permitted to think nothing of fictional murder, arguably the most commonly depicted crime, I'm not sure why I should suddenly be upset over fictional anything else.

Its not entertainment all the same. The process in our bodies has some overlap (like dopamine) but the process of arousal is distinct from general excitement or competition. If they werent evolution would be extremely complicated. The issue is not whether its physical or not. Obviously its not. The issue is the sexual attraction to begin with. Hope this helps~

real life crimes might be punished differently, but we're talking about the fictional depictions of those crimes, where there's no real basis for what's considered an "appropriate level" of response beyond an individual's own tolerances.

This is not true. It depends on jurisdiction. In grey zones it depends on things like Miller Test which basically checks if its obscene, sexual, underage content that serves no artistic, scientific or spiritual purpose (iirc). This can protect legally but normal people know what you are doing.

"rapists and animal abusers just waiting to happen"

People are entitled to their opinion and form out groups with some level of regulation by the state. That's life. Social stigmas usually serve a social function unless they violate the law, that is obviously bad. As far as producing actual criminals, this is why I mentioned the crimes are distinct. Those are not equal either in terms of public perception, outcomes, etc. And frankly, their opinion isn't hypocritical because, again, if you really want to go down to the scientific level, they don't need to account for the entertainment regarding a violent video game as far as sexual predation. There is no hypocrisy to resolve there except one that you personally imagined.

If you're speaking to a legal context, like for example, someone won't bake your wedding cake at their shop because they find out that you watch that content, then all you can really do is sue them and you'd probably lose.

Probably should have read the thread first because yes, what Reinha said.

[Solowing]

It really feels like people who engage in CSAM, loli/shota, all those things, hate being called out and put on spotlight. Almost as if they're doing something... weird? Or know people see it as weird. Maybe because... it is weird?

Only way this whole situation gets resolved, and not swept under rug, is if people start talking and tagging developers and SE on social media. Mr.Ozma got 1 not very nice post about him and his design of BST, and had to retweet it. So that's where they listen, not here.
Or again, big outside youtubers and gaming magazines start talking about it, sounds like amazing question to Yoshi P in next JP fanfest.

And to all victim complex modders, Nobody want's to take away all mods, if you want to make mod-beast do it, however there is hard limit on some things. Like making underage nude models. Those sort of mods shouldn't be up. And majority of modding spaces agrees, with how multiple groups banned Chunni and rest of those degens.

I will say wild thing again and leave: Pedophila is bad. You shouldn't defend people who do it. Imagining underage characters naked in your head isn't normal or healthy. Using soft words to hide ugly truth. It's Pedophilia. Not shota/Loli/CSAM No. It's young girl or boy being sexulised.

Edit: SE was informed about this by Bald Streamer it seems like. Now I guess we will all see if they act, or turn the other way as usuall. As always, Disgusting things are fine as long as they're not in your face, and they pay sub.

So here's the thing , how do you stop it?

The thing is, people are like.We need more security while leaving the backdoor unlocked..

You cannot expect humans to curate themselves to a reasonable degree.Because we tend to boundary push if we can get away with it.

The reality of it is , if you want more security , they're gonna need to lock the back door.

But the back door being open allows all the fun things to happen.

So the community is stuck wanting a more secure space while intentionally leaving it unsecure to allow them to continue to have their fun.

If you leave the back door open, this is going to continue to keep happening.

[MAJRIS]

Just a word of advice, please stay safe and don't take any spats or disagreements too seriously. these (and not just these) forums are being monitored and brigaded whenever convenient.
Upvotes, reports, slide posts, name calling, playing dumb, straw mans, hear no evil-see no evil, .. Just save your energy and mental state.

Jokingly, you're not paying Square enough to be a policeman in your country. The only one that sends out ninjas like that is Nintendo.