Integrity matters

[Astronis]

This is not a mods problem. This is an issue that would exist regardless. That thread was deleted because literally the second post was op explaining where to go to find fictional CSAM mods, and half the discussion was people like yall tryna justify their existence. I reported it because that's fking disgusting, let alone to have it on the front page of the forum bc y'all can't help but have your stupid arguement over whether it's chill to wank it to fictional kids.

I want to agree with most of what you're saying, except you're making a critical error here that is filling me with horror. Let me be PERFECTLY clear for the dimbulbs in the back who think wanting to turn child predators into the authorities to be imprisoned for decades is defending any of this shit: I think those kind of mods are grotesque and disgusting and would be perfectly happy if they were wiped from the face of the Earth. Some things, while fictional, nevertheless should not be entertained and it's evidence of a sickness to do so. Now here's my issue with YOU, and where I am horrified with people making YOUR arguments: in the making of this fiction, no actual real life, flesh and blood, living human children were involved. Therefore, as gross as it is, it's WORLDS different than ACTUAL CHILDREN BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED. Do not conflate them.

Now I am going to leave this place and if I have any sense, I am never coming back, because I have been utterly disgusted by damn near everyone involved here because when faced with a situation where ACTUAL CHILDREN WHERE ACTUALLY HARMED, people thought the very worst thing about it were the bloody goddamn MODS, and people are STILL showing they care more about the mods!

[SticksToFloors]

Normally I'm not the kinda guy to say this but truly where are the moderators and why have they forsaken us?

[Kaurhz]

Normally I'm not the kinda guy to say this but truly where are the moderators and why have they forsaken us?

I'm convinced the thread is just an elaborate social experiment for them now, to be honest.

[Aviatorhead]

Now here's my issue with YOU, and where I am horrified with people making YOUR arguments: in the making of this fiction, no actual real life, flesh and blood, living human children were involved. Therefore, as gross as it is, it's WORLDS different than ACTUAL CHILDREN BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED. Do not conflate them.

I don't think I conflated them. Didn't really mean to and I'm not sure how I did. Could you explain better?
Edit: made my post less mean but genuinely, I don't know why you're being so agressive at me when we probably agree with eachother/somethings been misunderstood. Like I 100% agree with what you said. Why not just ask for clarification?

[BigCheez]

Normally I'm not the kinda guy to say this but truly where are the moderators and why have they forsaken us?

They aren't getting paid enough to deal with this.

[EmeraldSerenade]

You made a great post expressing your frustrations with the game.

Personally, I don't agree with all of it, but I do agree that the moderation is way too heavy-handed, even for minor stuff. It makes people feel like they're walking on eggshells in what's supposed to be a social game, and IMO that takes away from the MMO experience.

As for automation and character modding, I think a lot of that (all of it) falls on Square Enix. They've gotten complacent, and they're not exactly great at implementing new systems. It's no secret that FFXIV is Square's piggy bank, and they're terrified of making changes that could jeopardize the money it brings in.

Even just giving players better ways to learn fights in-game could reduce how many people rely on third-party tools. And honestly, modding has become a crutch for the lack of meaningful casual content. People make friends in this game and need reasons to keep logging in and hanging out. When the game doesn't give them much to do together, they end up making their own content.

[Turtledeluxe]

People don't watch fantasy films or play violent video games for sexual gratification. I mean some probably do. Why do you keep talking about these things as though they are equivalent to watching pornography? Simple answer, please.

Just for the record btw because I see you do this a lot, 90% of the time when "reverse logic" seems easy to point out, it's not because you actually reversed it but rather because you either won't or can't see the false equivalence in what you're saying. These crimes don't even get the same punishments, they fall under entirely different circumstances by nearly every metric one can think of. The thing is you regard, everything is the same generic label of crime.

[Anonemoose]

So much I could say, but for now I'll summarise the main arguments just in case anybody has any doubts about what the problem is:

Normal people: "It's bad that people can use mods to sexualise children and have children engage in sexual activity. It's gross, wrong, and probably illegal in most of the world because its CSAM. People who sexualise children are pedophiles and I don't like that those types of people have been able to find safe harbour in this game and I don't like that those sort of people are comfortable enough to discuss and display their vile activities so publicly. I also don't like that people are making a lot of money from it."

Weirdos: "Actually it's not CSAM because it's not real, it's just a fictional depiction of children being sexualised and engaging in sexual activity and that makes it okay because no children were actually harmed in the real world. Enjoying this stuff does not make me a pedophile and actually you're the pedophile because you want more children to get abused in real life just because you don't like QoL plugins. People have done this before FFXIV and people will continue to do it after FFXIV, and you aren't complaining about other types of criminals, you just exclusively discriminate against pedophiles for some weird reason and I am going to report you to the authorities."

[Alice_Rivers]

I know this thread was unproductive at the start but guys, seriously, what the hell?

[Alice_Rivers]

And suddenly I'm on a side... I don't know which side I'm on but umm... Go team? I guess?