Dark Knight and Gunbreaker are the perfect tank in dawntrail here wayThgi

[TouchandFeel]

Dark Knight is a Dark Knight no matter what level it is. still dark knight. like lemon taste like lemon does not change to strawberry or grape. its just lemon. so if you think you are superior everyway being level100 dark knight compared to someone whos 67 you are wrong

As someone that has pretty much played DRK as my primary tank job since it was released, I very much disagree with this statement.
To me DRK before lvl.70, when you get 'The Blackest Night', feels and plays very differently than after you get that ability. I would argue that TBN is the most foundational and unique aspect to how DRK plays.
If you haven't played DRK to the point where you get TBN, you haven't really been exposed to how DRK actually plays.
Using your fruit/lemon analogy, DRK before lvl.70 is like an unripe green lemon while after it get's TBN it is like it has finally just turned yellow and become ripe. While both are lemons, an unripe lemon and a ripe lemon taste very different.

Also reading tooltips may give you an idea of how a job plays, but that is very different from direct experience with the job and its abilities. They are not equal.

[Tint]

Dark Knight is a Dark Knight no matter what level it is. still dark knight. like lemon taste like lemon does not change to strawberry or grape. its just lemon. so if you think you are superior everyway being level100 dark knight compared to someone whos 67 you are wrong

Dark Knight doesn't even have mana management at level 67 yet, a core aspect of the job, that only comes at level 70 with The Blackest Night and Dark Arts.

[Carighan]

Yeah Sakura once again outed herself as talking about things she cannot know anything about, no matter how hard she wants to. And in the process inherently invalidates all her other posts by association, since now we cannot know what she had personal experience with or didn't have any and is just shitposting about.

[Absurdity]

They really do not. Checking the numbers site, there is ~1% difference in DPS between the tanks and that is both the current Savage raids and UMAD.

Granted you can't really take their raid performance and extrapolate from it that they're also balanced in dungeons.

Yeah Sakura once again outed herself as talking about things she cannot know anything about, no matter how hard she wants to. And in the process inherently invalidates all her other posts by association, since now we cannot know what she had personal experience with or didn't have any and is just shitposting about.

Calling Dark Knight perfect should've given it away already.
Not even Heavensward Dark Knight was "perfect", but there was at least an idea behind it. Post-5.0 Dark Knight is just a mess.

[Nero-Voidstails]

That's exactly all our point. You think there's an imbalance. There is none, people are free to play what they want without having to worry about raw output. xD

well I replayed paladin and I do think my hand aren't doing enough xx) could also be why since my main tank is gunbreaker

[Mikey_R]

Granted you can't really take their raid performance and extrapolate from it that they're also balanced in dungeons.

Which is a valid point, so, quick and dirty maths time. TL;DR, for AoE the rankings are as follows, DRK* > PLD > GNB > WAR

*Highly dependant on how many Shadowbringer and Flood of Darkness you put in as well as damage gained from Living Shadow pet potency, so DRK might be higher than it actually is.

The maths:

Again, to point out, this is quick and dirty maths based solely on the potency of actions, which should be a reflection on the total damage.

Paladin:
GCDs, Total Eclipse, Prominence, Magic Circle, Blade Combo.
oGCDs, Circle of Scorn, Expiacion, Imperator, Blade of Honour (sorry, British, have to spell it right >_>)

Buffs, Fight or Flight (25%), Requiescat.

Total potency on initial target, 8187.5, each additional target 3935. Things to note, there is an extra GCD available under FoF, so there is potential for extra damage over the full duration, but that would just push the damage higher.

Warrior:
GCDs, Overpower, Mythril Tempest, 3x Decimate (IR), 2x Chaotic Cyclone, Primal Rend, Primal Ruination.
oGCDs, Orogeny, Primal Wrath.

Buffs, Storm's Tempest (10%), NOTE: all auto crit/DH took the potency and multiplied it by 1.875 (1.5*1.25).

Total potency on initial target, 6283.75, on all additional targets, 4331.25
Do note that, whilst there is an extra GCD used here, it still comes to less potency than all the other jobs and this is before we take into account crit rate on the other jobs, which only boosts them higher.

Dark Knight:
GCDs, Unleash, Stalwart Soul, Quietus, 3x Impalement, Disesteem
oGCDs, Salted Earth, Salt and Darkness, 4x Flood of Darkness, 2x Shadowbringer, Living Shadow

Buffs, Darkside (10%)

Total potency on initial target, 8511, for any additional targets, 6631.
Notes, I assumed 4 Flood of Darkness and 2 Shadowbringer casts, if you want to adjust values accordingly, you +/- 176 per flood and +/- 660/495.
In the calcs, Living Shadow is not granted the 10% buff from Darkside, I also do not know how the potency is affected because it is classed as a pet, so results might be higher than expected. In total, LS does 2450 potency on the initial target and 1312.5 on any additional targets.
There is also the fact not everything lines up evenly on a minute cooldown like the other tanks, so damage will scale quite a bit between pulls and this is one of the best case scenarios.

Gunbreaker:
GCDs, Demon Slaughter, 3x Fated Circle, Double Down, Lion Heart Combo
oGCDs, 3x Fated Circle, Blasting Zone, Bow Shock

Buffs, No mercy (20%)

Total Potency on initial target, 7644, total potency on additional targets 4560.
Things to note, this has assumed a setup of Demon Slaughter ready to be comboed and having 1 cartridge before starting, so this is close to a best case (with the only improvement being an extra Fated Circle, which, with enough enemies could pull ahead of Paladin, even if we used the last GCD on PLD for another Holy Circle. GNB and PLD are pretty close with GNB being better the more targets you have.

So, to recap, on the initial target, damage goes DRK* > PLD > GNB > WAR and on additional targets the damage goes DRK* > GNB > WAR > PLD

However, since we took different amounts of GCDs to get the raw damage, if we take the average, the order changes to DRK* > GNB > PLD > WAR, do note that GNB and PLD are so close it is a <10 potency difference. If we take these averages and go over multiple mobs, the order stays as DRK* > PLD > GNB > WAR.

And, just as a point of reference, at 6 targets, using the provided numbers, PLD does ~4% more damage than GNB, which is an even bigger difference in PLD's favour than the single target DPS from raids.

[Mukuku]

In the calcs, Living Shadow is not granted the 10% buff from Darkside, I also do not know how the potency is affected because it is classed as a pet, so results might be higher than expected.

The deets: How Does Living Shadow Work Exactly

[Absurdity]

The deets: How Does Living Shadow Work Exactly

Ah yes, the yearly reminder that Tank Mastery is a scam.

[Mukuku]

The loss of extra damage from tank mastery because Esteem scales independently is already compensated, though?

Esteem actually uses the "normal" scaling, not the "tank nerfed" scaling. This means Esteem scales better with STR compared to a tank.

[Absurdity]

The loss of extra damage from tank mastery because Esteem scales independently is already compensated, though?

As Mukuku said.
But this is also less about Esteem's scaling and more about the trait that says "grants a bonus to damage dealt based on your strength attribute" doing the exact opposite, reducing how much damage you gain from strength, therefore being a scam trait.