Normal editor tools. When?

[Solowing]

That the the main point of this console cat. Glitches is like a privilege for very few, and with advanced tools everyone be able do the same with less efforts. I even heard a comparisons with AI.


Selfish, m?

Okay riddle me batman. If all console users have the ability to do the glitches that I'm doing, then how is it a privilege for a very few, If anyone can do it?

But here's the fun part that I like about housing in this game.

Your willingness to push through the system is seen and felt.

Like I said I see and understand your argument. But the friction gives it texture for me, if I were to argue for what you want. Id be arguing against the very thing that makes housing stand out. I can see your commitment, your effort, the time put into it, the love. If you dont care or dont want to delve into the housing deep end it reflects.

Im aware them im arguing against convienence and that is incredibly difficult to argue against. But sometimes being told "No" is a good thing..

[Moon_Rabbit]

So the previous answer you just ignored, neat

Okay riddle me batman. If all console users have the ability to do the glitches that I'm doing, then how is it a privilege for a very few, If anyone can do it?

Not any? Just because glitch is a bug, not a tool, and most of users don't even know about it. Don't act naive, there are entire wards of unfinished or half-empty houses.
On the other hand, if everyone had the opportunity to move everything easily and without the glitches, you would list your objections on every page of this topic.

[Solowing]

So the previous answer you just ignored, neat

Not any? Just because glitch is a bug, not a tool, and most of users don't even know about it. Don't act naive, there are entire wards of unfinished or half-empty houses.
On the other hand, if everyone had the opportunity to move everything easily and without the glitches, you would list your objections on every page of this topic.

Here's my counter argument to that if it's a glitch , go ahead and fix it . Because it was never intended to allow me to float things up.You would be undermining your own argument by fixing it lol

Yeah, housing didn't get fancy until someone realized they could float things up.And then the player took it upon themselves to go the extra mile with a small glitch.

If they change it or not all it does is devalue anyone who's done the manual labor to get it done, it doesn't make your house impressive.It just makes everything a baseline and unimpressive.By the standards of a previously set. You would basically be retiring a craft to have nothing replace it. It's a sterile system where it's meant to be consumed , not appreciated.

I guess you can get what you want.I just wouldn't be impressed by anything more because there's no grit or outside the box thinking or problem solving needed to get to the outcome.It's just a that's it, anybody can do that.But the path from a to z isn't direct , that's where it gets interesting.

I don't care about your perfect house where there's no story to tell.And there's no friction in it.

When I walk into a plot , I want to see the love that was put into it , but also the "how"

I like walking into a plot and being like. How did they do that? That's impressive.I should have thought of that!" And you can see the time and effort telling the system "you said no so I found a workaround"

You don't want the system to question you. If the system doesn't question you, I don't question nor care about your house.Because there's nothing2to question, it's just to consume.Just look at it , it looks pretty, im leaving. There's no technical Marvel. It's items placed from a to z cool story , bro.

I wanna hear about the guy who struggled to get his house.The way it is because that's what's impressive, being told no and saying "fk that ima do it anyway!" You're imposing your will on to a system that is telling you no to force a yes out of it by will. They're stories to explain the workarounds that were required to get it the way it is. The process is just as important as the end result.

[Solowing]

You know, Eddie hall deadlifting? Yeah , thats unimpressive , my jack lifts 2 tons he only lift 1 ton. Right? What a waste of effort...

[Bubert]

A lot of people don’t really care about impressing others with their house. They just want a cute house for themselves…

[Moon_Rabbit]

Here's my counter argument to that if it's a glitch , go ahead and fix it . Because it was never intended to allow me to float things up.You would be undermining your own argument by fixing it lol

Yeah, housing didn't get fancy until someone realized they could float things up.And then the player took it upon themselves to go the extra mile with a small glitch.

If they change it or not all it does is devalue anyone who's done the manual labor to get it done, it doesn't make your house impressive.It just makes everything a baseline and unimpressive.By the standards of a previously set. You would basically be retiring a craft to have nothing replace it. It's a sterile system where it's meant to be consumed , not appreciated.

I guess you can get what you want.I just wouldn't be impressed by anything more because there's no grit or outside the box thinking or problem solving needed to get to the outcome.It's just a that's it, anybody can do that.But the path from a to z isn't direct , that's where it gets interesting.

I don't care about your perfect house where there's no story to tell.And there's no friction in it.

When I walk into a plot , I want to see the love that was put into it , but also the "how"

I like walking into a plot and being like. How did they do that? That's impressive.I should have thought of that!" And you can see the time and effort telling the system "you said no so I found a workaround"

You don't want the system to question you. If the system doesn't question you, I don't question nor care about your house.Because there's nothing2to question, it's just to consume.Just look at it , it looks pretty, im leaving. There's no technical Marvel. It's items placed from a to z cool story , bro.

I wanna hear about the guy who struggled to get his house.The way it is because that's what's impressive, being told no and saying "fk that ima do it anyway!" You're imposing your will on to a system that is telling you no to force a yes out of it by will. They're stories to explain the workarounds that were required to get it the way it is. The process is just as important as the end result.

It seems you're the only one here who cares about the story of house creation and the suffering that accompanied it? I'll tell you—it's nothing. Because this is your own pain, not the pain of others.
Show the house to the sprout player, if its beautifull house - this person will be happy, without knowing the story, and without knowing how primitive and outdated FFXIV housing system are. Thats how art works.
Your suffering matters only to you, and I've never seen creators with such interest. Some kind of twisted narcissism? Probably.

[Solowing]

A lot of people don’t really care about impressing others with their house. They just want a cute house for themselves…

Given the housing war situation , it's more of a flex.

[Solowing]

It seems you're the only one here who cares about the story of house creation and the suffering that accompanied it? I'll tell you—it's nothing. Because this is your own pain, not the pain of others.
Show the house to the sprout player, if its beautifull house - this person will be happy, without knowing the story, and without knowing how primitive and outdated FFXIV housing system are. Thats how art works.
Your suffering matters only to you, and I've never seen creators with such interest. Some kind of twisted narcissism? Probably.

You know , just the harasser , grifter , gatekeeper or whatever , my signature says

It took five seconds to realize your layouts was modded.

I can tell the difference , it's pretty easy to spot once you're used to messing with the housing system. Because the housing system reflect the effort that you put into it. For better or for worse.

If you're complaining about the housing system. Now you were never going to lift those five bookshelves up by hand. But I can see that. The look of your layout contradicts the effort required to get it there by hand.

The housing system is actually good at that.\nLike , I said , I understand your reason , butI cant agree since forcing the system to give me a yes despite telling me no is peak creativity to me

[Moon_Rabbit]

You know , just the harasser , grifter , gatekeeper or whatever , my signature says
It took five seconds to realize your layouts was modded.

Sigh. there are too many synonyms for the word "jester".

You know, professional designers and architects work in 3D editors. Designing a cottage for them can be even faster than for you with your glitches ingame. So what, are you telling me their work won't be beautiful enough, or it's will worth less because they don't suffer like you do? Really? Is this how you understand beauty and aesthetics? And so... once we have the same tools in FFXIV, it should somehow devalue our works? Seek treatment.

[Nezerius]

When I walk into a plot , I want to see the love that was put into it , but also the "how"

And you could absolutely still do this with the suggestions made by the OP! Given that they were heavily referring to WoW's housing system, and the way it handles furniture placement, it simply shifts this from "look at how I suffered by glitching all these furnishings to make something neat" to "look at how I managed to combine all of these different furnishings to design something cool".

Some of the furniture designs I've seen have been really cool, along with the process of fitting the designs to make it all work, and just as much qualify as peak creativity. It's just that this version of creativity isn't limited by constantly having to fight a housing system that's supposed to be helping you create your dream interior.