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  1. #91
    Player Coolyy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You’ve done absolutely zero in my eyes to justify why RPR matches evercold’s themes because

    1) you don’t even know evercold’s themes you are extrapolating incredibly vague Norse mythology themes that apply to just about any religious mythos and hoping you are correct

    2) even if the themes do closely match Norse mythology like a GOW style then your relationship of RPR to themes is still incredibly tenuous to the point of pointlessness; “Norse mythology has a lot of death”, that’s not a theme, that’s religious mythology in a nutshell. Can you disprove my linking of your nebulous “themes” to Christianity or Greek mythology

    And if you don’t want people snarking don’t make weird and frankly insulting comments about people from Europe
    I mean like I say again one of us will be proven an total idiot at Berlin and Tokyo, and I don't think it will be me as they have chosen Reaper to be the WoL Job for obvious reasons. So agree to disagree, but at the same time the developers themselves agree with one of us so clearly I have a point.

    Reminder that this was a comment from you:
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    ………what?

    Your evidence is that the sky islands mentioned in the trailer will be like the Norse realms and Norse mythology has a lot of death?
    7000 forum posts and you somehow act this ignorant when they quite literally shove the Nine Realms influence in your eyes with the in-game showcases and concept art. I bet you were saying this same silly stuff before Shadowbringers, Endwalker and Dawntrail also hahahah. "Endwalker has no IV influence" despite the Towers being dungeons. "Dawntrail has no IX influence" despite Viper using Zidane's weapons, type shh.

    Mmm yes nothing Nine Realms here: https://imgur.com/a/n6zCbd6. Asgard equivalent: https://imgur.com/a/xOXylAF. Oh wow look it's Asgard again!: https://imgur.com/a/udTDkoD. Again??? How is this possible!: https://imgur.com/a/Pi5XjnL.
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    Last edited by Coolyy; 05-13-2026 at 11:29 AM.

  2. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolyy View Post
    Do you only care about snarking, trolling and rage baiting or are you going to tell me why Dancer and White Mage fit the Evercold theme like a completely delusional person?
    Rich of you to accuse others of trolling when your own posts have been condescending, biased, and repeatedly derailing the thread. On top of insulting others for not agreeing I'm starting to think you're the trolling ragebaiter here, ngl
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    Last edited by Ankhira; 05-13-2026 at 11:35 AM.

  3. #93
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Wrong again

    If you actually read my comments you’ll find I have no problem believing evercold is Norse themed

    I’m saying your justification for why Norse means RPR is non existent

    For someone so quick to jump to insults you don’t read my comments
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  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolyy View Post
    The doubters will be looking stupid after Berlin or Tokyo, it's whatever man.
    Doubting what, exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolyy View Post
    Do you only care about snarking, trolling and rage baiting or are you going to tell me why Dancer and White Mage fit the Evercold theme like a completely delusional person? You haven't made one decent point in this entire discussion yet, 7000 logged posts and this is the best you have to say lmao. At least ty_taurus is trying and I can respect that even if we agree to disagree.
    If we're talking about jobs that would fit Evercold better, if the realm is overwhelmed by ice aether, which we understand to be an element of stasis closest to light, Black Mage bringing an abundance of fire aether is the element to counteract the ice, like darkness was for The First, but I can understand reserving Black Mage for whatever shard was affected by the Sixth Umbral Calamity along with White Mage, as I've echoed. But Summoner bringing Phoenix is perhaps what I would consider to be the most appropriate choice with the former reservation in mind. I can see an argument for dancer bringing the physical opposite to stasis. I don't find it to the strongest option in hindsight, but there are a lot of thematic aspects to dance being a foil to cold and stillness from a real-world standpoint. Given that there seems to be some inspiration from FFX with the Sin-like enemies, had the new Physical Ranged DPS actually been the Blitz Ace, that would've been a fitting choice. Going with the Norse theme and also the tone of the trailer being the tales of our heroics after succeeding, Bard would also feel quite fitting. I mentioned earlier as well, Bard could be a good representation of the beginning of a new arc as meteor did start by taking up Archer in 1.0 while never upgrading to Bard afterward.
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    Last edited by ty_taurus; 05-13-2026 at 11:44 AM.
    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

  5. #95
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    imagine if the new class was a healer - Songstress. It would of been absolutely hilarious if at the end of the EC teaser, he's glammed up rather than being a reaper lmfao
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  6. #96
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    Whole lotta back and forth and not a whole lot of sense made, I see

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolyy View Post
    And this just makes no sense but you probably don't have the context yet. You need to read up about Norse Mythology like Yoshida has told us to. Maybe play the Norse God of War games as they are really fun and Yoshida is a really big God of War fan himself that's a big inspiration for FFXVI, so you will quickly see the inspiration for Evercold. Then should probably understand how Reaper fits into the more creepy/horror aspects of Norse Myth thematically. Scandinavian Lore is notably creepy and weird. I say this as a half-Scandinavian whose European side has made me do some pretty creepy... stuff, so I'm not bullshitting here lol.
    Setting aside the 'made me do creepy stuff' sounding like you're admitting to real world crimes or immoral actions, how is Reaper, at all, 'fits Norse Mythology'? If it were Norse in any way, we'd have ability names that reference Helheim, or Ragnarok, or Jormangundr (would be a more fitting name for VPR's LB3 than the current one IMO), instead they're all either generic 'dark' sounding words like Infernal, Hell's Egress/Ingress, Enshroud, or they're Latin because of the Garlean lore with Communio, Sacrificium and Perfectio. You're reaching big time

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolyy View Post
    Sure a completely different game but both use the exact same mythology as inspiration. Yoshida is a huge God of War fan I am not making this up, that's literally a big reason why he made FFXVI the way he did. If you're trying to outright deny the Norse Mythology influence in Evercold then I'm not sure if this is a serious discussion anymore, but I can't tell if you are.
    Not them, but I'm personally not denying that there might be some Norse inspiration in EC, I'm denying that the said Norse inspiration has anything at all to do with Reaper

    If Yoshida was as big a 'huge GOW fan' as you're so rabidly insinuating, surely he'd have also played the games in the series that are based on the Greek Pantheon, of which there are more entries? Why's his enjoyment of GOW somehow evidence that Reaper has Norse Mythology links at all? You're conflating 'How does Reaper 'fit' the Norse theme' with 'Is there a Norse theme in the first place', and the answers to those two are different, with the first being 'I have no clue what you're on about, because to me nothing about Reaper is 'Norse' themed', and the other is 'yeh there's probably some Norse inspiration for the architecture of some of the buildings they showed'

    Side note, is your entire frame of reference for 'what is Norse Mythology' just what you learned from God of War? Becuase you mention it a lot, and other sources seem to be conspicuously missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolyy View Post
    They saw Dawntrail's reception and still decided to make the WoL Melee again, so what does that indicate to you?
    What it indicates to me, is that the level of success an expansion has, and the 'poster job' in the trailer for said expansion, have absolutely nothing to do with one another, and as such, they could do a WHM, or a Dancer, or hell a Fisher, and it'd still sell just as well. Rather, they decide to have Melee/Tanks as the 'poster job' each time, not for financial reasons, but for some other reason like 'they find it easier to concept fight scenes with a Melee guy rather than trying to think of how to make Magic guy work in the same scene'
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  7. #97
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    You know what’s funny is it would actually go so hard if when panning through a new city in a trailer, they showed off th crafting area briefly and showed meteor in a crafter or gatherer job working on a project, or showing off some new jewelry for an excited NPC, or maybe showing off a new legendary fish they caught. You could even have them as a Botanist showing off some fresh vegetables for Gra’ha to eat since that’s the running gag I guess. It’d be all of 3 seconds of screen time of course, but you’d hear nothing but cheers for the representation.
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Wrong again

    If you actually read my comments you’ll find I have no problem believing evercold is Norse themed

    I’m saying your justification for why Norse means RPR is non existent

    For someone so quick to jump to insults you don’t read my comments
    Apparently you did say that Endwalker has no FF4 influence and Dawntrail has no FF9 influence whatsoever which checkmates any argument you have. It's a thing now and you'll have to take responsibility. Please recognize you were wrong about this right this instant.
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  9. #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Apparently you did say that Endwalker has no FF4 influence and Dawntrail has no FF9 influence whatsoever which checkmates any argument you have. It's a thing now and you'll have to take responsibility. Please recognize you were wrong about this right this instant.
    Must be my evil European side getting the best of me

    Should have bought more Laekerlies
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    As much as I love the idea of meteor in skimpy little dancer gear, I just don't think they'd get away with it. It gives the dude bro crowd something to power fantasize over if meteor is dressed up in some tank or melee gear.

    We'd get even more people screaming that FFXIV has gone "woke" if they dressed up their poster child in a white mage dress.
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