Normal editor tools. When?

[Moon_Rabbit]

Adding free item movement for housing would only make people more creative since more people would be able to realize their creative vision without jumping through arbitrary hoops.

Im agree and see here a main point, that it can involve more people in housing, if builder instruments will be simple and effective. Many of my friends and acquaintances gave up halfway through, even though they tried. I see no reason to blame them for laziness; this isn't hardcore content; it's something that should be simple and understandable. "Housing" feature should be enjoyable for all, not only for minority of especially stubborn people.

[Solowing]

Im agree and see here a main point, that it can involve more people in housing, if builder instruments will be simple and effective. Many of my friends and acquaintances gave up halfway through, even though they tried. I see no reason to blame them for laziness; this isn't hardcore content; it's something that should be simple and understandable. "Housing" feature should be enjoyable for all, not only for minority of especially stubborn people.

I believe the Artist makes the paintbrush

I don't buy that the paintbrush is what stops them

[Moon_Rabbit]

I believe the Artist makes the paintbrush
I don't buy that the paintbrush is what stops them

Creation as a process, shouldn't be the path of pain and sorrow. Hard times already made strong men, strong men brought us new brushes and the only question is to accept it or not. Your point of view sounds very ortodoxie for me, which is also a synonym of stagnation. New instruments = new possibilities, more involved artists = more new works. I want to see this future, and i dosn't see where is a problem.

[Solowing]

Creation as a process, shouldn't be the path of pain and sorrow. Hard times already made strong men, strong men brought us new brushes and the only question is to accept it or not. Your point of view sounds very ortodoxie for me, which is also a synonym of stagnation. New instruments = new possibilities, more involved artists = more new works. I want to see this future, and i dosn't see where is a problem.

Actually its not a new instrument because the function was always there. It just lowers the barrier of entry but lifting the floor up to match everyone who was already doing the advanced stuff.

IM stagnate? You are saying the tools make the Artist, not the artist makes the tools. When someone does housing with me. They don't believe themselves a Artist because they think the canvas or the brush holds them back. The only thing holding them back is their creativity and the willingness to commit to creating that feeling.

Sure its a lot easier, to automate the proccess yourself. But a A to B placement will never come close to the feeling of overcoming an design brick wall and accidently creating a new emergent design.

Im trying to get them through the process of designing a housing unit. Im trying to teach them how to utilize the creativity they never though they had. Because its how I discovered my own creativity. In the end they aren't moving a item from A to B they are being made to think outside the box, that every bump in the road is a opportunity to be challenged and questioned. Those challenges and questions affect the final product, in a way where A to B placement skips the lateral thinking aspect.

[Moon_Rabbit]

Actually its not a new instrument because the function was always there. It just lowers the barrier of entry but lifting the floor up to match everyone who was already doing the advanced stuff.

Well, actullay, 3D axis vector its different way of interraction, its allow you to use dirrect manipulation with object. While the glich required support objects to do the same, but with less level of controll. For me its sounds like new instrument.

IM stagnate? You are saying the tools make the Artist, not the artist makes the tools. When someone does housing with me. They don't believe themselves a Artist because they think the canvas or the brush holds them back. The only thing holding them back is their creativity and the willingness to commit to creating that feeling.

Stagnation, in this case, is your reluctance to accept new things.I didn’t say that without a tool there is no artist, I said that a proper tool can make an artist’s work better. It's a big difference.

Sure its a lot easier, to automate the proccess yourself. But a A to B placement will never come close to the feeling of overcoming an design brick wall and accidently creating a new emergent design.

Automation of the process is when an object from point A to point B is moved by program logic, without the direct control of the player.

Im trying to get them through the process of designing a housing unit. Im trying to teach them how to utilize the creativity they never though they had. Because its how I discovered my own creativity. In the end they aren't moving a item from A to B they are being made to think outside the box, that every bump in the road is a opportunity to be challenged and questioned. Those challenges and questions affect the final product, in a way where A to B placement skips the lateral thinking aspect.

You have found your way, congratulations! But why did you decide that this way is only one? I get inspiration from everything around me and outside of the game. I don't need what you need to create. Thats the point. I want to get the tools to realize as many of my fantasies as possible in the game, without spending 90% of the time on extra actions that are completely useless and brings me nothing.

[Solowing]

Well, actullay, 3D axis vector its different way of interraction, its allow you to use dirrect manipulation with object. While the glich required support objects to do the same, but with less level of controll. For me its sounds like new instrument.

Stagnation, in this case, is your reluctance to accept new things.I didn’t say that without a tool there is no artist, I said that a proper tool can make an artist’s work better. It's a big difference.

Automation of the process is when an object from point A to point B is moved by program logic, without the direct control of the player.

You have found your way, congratulations! But why did you decide that this way is only one? I get inspiration from everything around me and outside of the game. I don't need what you need to create. Thats the point. I want to get the tools to realize as many of my fantasies as possible in the game, without spending 90% of the time on extra actions that are completely useless and brings me nothing.

When did I say I was arguing against it? I said there is something lost in that. Not its the only way.

Typing made writing easier, but penmanship became a lost art. Should we be forced back into parchment and quill? No, but there is something lost in the simplification.

[Moon_Rabbit]

When did I say I was arguing against it? I said there is something lost in that. Not its the only way.
Typing made writing easier, but penmanship became a lost art. Should we be forced back into parchment and quill? No, but there is something lost in the simplification.

An autentic expirience? Well, you can always limiting yourself with the way how to create. And i don't think SE will change system too much, if they do in future.
Anyway, remember history, keep up with the future.