Aren't holiday quests a waste of development time and effort right now?

[Peregrine]

They have several things they can do to not turn people off with meaningless content updates. Namely, playing them down instead of hyping them.

Take the quests, for instance. What was that? Are they what *anyone* wanted when we said we want quests? No. They're horribly pointless fetch quests, the most basic of the basic fodder quests that weren't even acceptable almost a decade ago. People will argue that you have to start somewhere. People will say that these are the most basic quests. Really. Are they? Are they. Prove it. Because SE hyped them and they fell well short of industry standards, our expectations, and just made SE look bad. People laughed.

How do you release the crap quests that you already made that are terrible? Well A, you never make that kind of **** again so it's not an issue. B. You can severely downplay it. Outright say they're not that good but they were intended as launch-day impression pieces. I can understand if the 18 quests are meant for newbie PS3 people when they log on for their first week. But they should have NEVER been hyped as a cure for what ails the game, and they shouldn't have even been hyped as content to current players of the game.

Same thing with the holiday event. Downplay that ****, don't put it on the front line of your letter as the majority of a PATCH. That's not a patch for anything that's broken in the game, so they don't get credit for patching anything with it. If this holiday event didn't affect any other development, say it. Players need to know they didn't dick around with this for even 2 weeks of March. If they DID dick around with it, it ends. Fix the game. Get to work. I know holiday crap is easy to develop just like those crap quests were easy to develop, and it makes it look like they're doing SOMETHING but it doesn't COUNT. For them to pretend it does makes them look like a joke to the player base.

I don't want to hear about another holiday event as anything but an oh by the way at the end of the announcement. If those quests down the pipeline are more of the same trash, don't even bother getting the translation team. Yoshi-P namedropped more quests, am I supposed to squeal like a school girl? Because the last batch of quests were painful to complete. Instead of pretending they were good, apologize for that **** and let us know that the next batch won't be that poor.

But my suspicion is that they thought they could sell the holiday event as more evidence of content, and they don't even realize that the quests they already released were a waste of their time to make and a waste of our time to play.

Why do I think that? Because they haven't said otherwise. Assurance that holiday events and fetch quests aren't considered good quality content by Yoshi-P would go a long way IF they MUST continue to release them.

I am calling what looks like a bluff at this point. It's almost time to show the hand. They'd better have something more than a holiday event and a 2nd round of pointless fetch quests by mid may.

[Abriael]

They have several things they can do to not turn people off with meaningless content updates. Namely, playing them down instead of hyping them.

In fact they're not hyping them. They are just communicating their existance. In EVERY MMORPG on the market, no matter how crappy, the development team communicates that there will be an event and when.
The fact that they don't please you, don't mean that they don't please anyone.

And please, let's not get in the realm of the nonsensical. Are you really going to argue that they should come and tell "oh yeah, we're providing you with those events, but they're just filler crap. Don't look forward to them! Don't log in to play them!"

Seriously, the demands i read sometimes...

Just stop... you have no clue what you're talking about and you are doing nothing but making up BS to fit neatly into the argument you want to make.

At last something we can fully agree on.

[Arcell]

Same thing with the holiday event. Downplay that ****, don't put it on the front line of your letter as the majority of a PATCH.

It was never said that the April event was the majority of a patch. He said that 1.17 was 70% of the original content planned for 1.17 and that the other 30% would come in 1.17a. He said that the April event was part of that patch, nothing more nothing less.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I knew there was a reason I hated coming to General Discussion.

[Peregrine]

It was never said that the April event was the majority of a patch. He said that 1.17 was 70% of the original content planned for 1.17 and that the other 30% would come in 1.17a. He said that the April event was part of that patch, nothing more nothing less.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I knew there was a reason I hated coming to General Discussion.

lol you have a lot to learn about Square Enix speak. If you were familiar with this company and this team, you'd know that the holiday event is probably 60% of the 70% of 1.17, and the remaining 30% in 1.17a is a laundry list of more meaningless bug fixes and maybe some team sp tweaking.

Watch. You'll see.

[TheVedis]

lol you have a lot to learn about Square Enix speak. If you were familiar with this company and this team, you'd know that the holiday event is probably 60% of the 70% of 1.17, and the remaining 30% in 1.17a is a laundry list of more meaningless bug fixes and maybe some team sp tweaking.

Watch. You'll see.

and what do we get from you if you are wrong? Maybe youll stop posting this nonsense preeching you are doing about how much everything sucks and how bad SE is?
cuz right now thats all it sounds like we are getting from you

[Peregrine]

This is what an intelligent player who isn't a fanboy thinks this patch will be:

1.17
60% of this entire patch IS the egg hunt.
10% of this first patch is more UI tweaking and bugfix

1.17a (AKA planning to prepare to update for content that they don't have yet)
10% something that can be remotely skewed to affect 8 man raid teams, like SP gain adjustment and crowd control tweaks. Or hahahaha maybe some big ol' nerfing action.
20% UI tweaking and bugfixes


If you think this patch will overshadow the holiday event, you were born yesterday.

[TheVedis]

This is what an intelligent player who isn't a fanboy thinks this patch will be:

1.17
60% of this entire patch IS the egg hunt.
10% of this first patch is more UI tweaking and bugfix

1.17a (AKA planning to prepare to update for content that they don't have yet)
10% something that can be remotely skewed to affect 8 man raid teams, like SP gain adjustment and crowd control tweaks. Or hahahaha maybe some big ol' nerfing action.
20% UI tweaking and bugfixes


If you think this patch will overshadow the holiday event, you were born yesterday.

And this post is what a forum troll wants you to believe.
The use of the word fanboy is a good indicator of the troll, watch it as it tries to get reactions out of people. Watch it as it spews doom from its mouth and tells you how you are all just sheep being led to the slaughter.
Watch it as it makes baseless assumptions acting as if it knows what its doing when in fact it is totaly clueless and will be proven wrong when the thing it says doesnt come to pass, yet then magicaly turn around and change its attitude as if something else is wrong instead when said wrongness is proven, and deny that it was ever wrong to begin with.

[Nabiri]

And this post is what a forum troll wants you to believe.
The use of the word fanboy is a good indicator of the troll, watch it as it tries to get reactions out of people. Watch it as it spews doom from its mouth and tells you how you are all just sheep being led to the slaughter.
Watch it as it makes baseless assumptions acting as if it knows what its doing when in fact it is totaly clueless and will be proven wrong when the thing it says doesnt come to pass, yet then magicaly turn around and change its attitude as if something else is wrong instead when said wrongness is proven, and deny that it was ever wrong to begin with.

Pure gold right there. ^.^b Thanks for the laugh.

[Abriael]

This is what an intelligent player who isn't a fanboy thinks this patch will be

I'd like to make you aware that agreeing with you isn't a prerequisite for being intelligent and not being a fanboy.

It's pretty obvious you still have alot of faith in SE Abriael. You still think they have what it takes to deliver and fix the game. I still think they do too. I'm just concerned with the image they are starting to get by hyping content while releasing other smaller stuff. It seems like the Yoshi infusion is wearing off for some people and Peregrine is a good example of that.

I learned never to have "faith". But I also applaud effort and hard work when I see it.
As for Yoshida's enthusiasm being bad for some, i'm not at all surprised. I know gamers quite well, and I know how much some would love to see him always sad, negative, prostrated and apologizing. It's an ego matter, and the ego of some gamers is extremely pleased by seeing a developer licking their boots after a game had a rocky release.

Personally, I like positive people, I don't feel the need to have my boots licked, and I can appreciate someone (especially a team leader) who is enthusiastic about a challenge that could easily send his whole career against a brick wall if he fails.

I do want to ask though, have you been satisfied with the updates so far? Have there been any updates that you were disappointed in when taken one by one?

Some updates I agree with, some I disagree with, but I'm not as arrogant as to believe that the devs should necessarily tailor the game over my taste and vision. The day I notice that the disagreement outweights the agreement, I'll simply quit and look for another game instead of trolling the forums of a game I don't like for months. Until then (if it'll ever happen), I'll enjoy what I agree with.
But one thing is for sure. I can easily see that there is a lot of hard work going on behind the scenes, the *amount* of updates is even superior to my expectations, considering that they're having to rework the basics of the game. If people think that they could do it faster, I'm afraid that there are some big delusions in place. And I'm not a fan of being delusional.