Sincere Question...No Troll...Has SE Gone Full Regress?!?!

[Xieldras]

Dawntrail's relic's second step very much feels like an "Oh shit! Everyone despises Forked Tower! We better make a substitute fast!" moment. I don't do roulettes anymore so it was more annoying than anything.
The demi-atma step was grueling, but only because the verdigris wouldn't drop in OC and I had to go outside (at least overworld fates give you bicolors as an extra). A simple trader would've worked wonders here (3 of a piece for one of another or something) and it's a shame that such an easy fix was forgotten about entirely.

As for relics in general, I've done one ARR and one HW. I do prefer when we have multiple avenues to grind 'light', and I also enjoyed the books step since it made me go out into the overworld and learn about mob placements.

The best for a relic is simply to offer multiple ways to grind for what you need. That satisfies many different types of players.

[GraceHorizon]

I definitely agree on having multiple avenues to complete relic steps. One of my friends hates Occult Crescent so she did the demiatma step mostly through FATEs. I personally enjoy roulettes so I didn’t mind the aetherwell step, but I have no objection to there being other ways to do it. The Manderville weapons gave me a taste for relics so I like getting them as long as the grind isn’t too obnoxious. After all, I have other things I want to do even in this game, let alone in the rest of my life.

[Kaurhz]

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me

People thinking this is an MMO because it's given us an 8-hour grind in 4-months will never not be funny to me.

[theunhappypotato]

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me

same i'm glad we finally got some content that had a shelf life of more than 2 days (except savage) and sure its mindnumbing but all the other relic grinds are mind numbing too, and its a one time only thing so i dont really see an issue here

[Deejudanne]

People thinking this is an MMO because it's given us an 8-hour grind in 4-months will never not be funny to me.

Your opinion doesn't change the fact that it is an MMO.

[Kaurhz]

Your opinion doesn't change the fact that it is an MMO.

Wooosh....

[Hyperia]

I didn’t have an issue with the core idea fo atmas, it works well. The issue I had with the OC implementation is the spawn rate of the needed fates. By the time I had the final one of the rarest drop, I had stacks fo the others. Why? Because the final arms dropped from a fate that almost never spawned more than once in a lockout.
I did the original atma grind in ARR and this took LONGER when the devs said it should be shorter as the drop rate was 20% on the fates. Back in ARR, you had a good idea when a fate would spawn but the OC was double RNG because you never knew when or if it would spawn.

[GraceHorizon]

I didn’t have an issue with the core idea fo atmas, it works well. The issue I had with the OC implementation is the spawn rate of the needed fates. By the time I had the final one of the rarest drop, I had stacks fo the others. Why? Because the final arms dropped from a fate that almost never spawned more than once in a lockout.
I did the original atma grind in ARR and this took LONGER when the devs said it should be shorter as the drop rate was 20% on the fates. Back in ARR, you had a good idea when a fate would spawn but the OC was double RNG because you never knew when or if it would spawn.

The CE spawns in OC can be manipulated, and I absolutely did this to encourage the ones I needed, but yeah … still not my favorite thing due to RNG as I mentioned before.

[TwiceDamned]

At this point, you might wish to assume a complete dump of at least the NA player base by 8.0

Because, if you want to talk WoW comparisons, consider the possibility of "Cataclysm"...

[mixu]

EW relic was by far the best. Best looking and best way to achieve. I have every single one on two characters. Only doable because it was tomes.

The demiatma I wouldn’t mind so much if there was a pity system so to speak… like once you have done a certain amount of ce or fates it completes automatically. One of my mains I thought was fine, got lucky and completed quickly enough. The other took over three months of grinding and hundreds of fates and now I’m so behind on them they just got their aetherwell T v T barely want to bother anymore so just bought a courtly weapon.