Sincere Question...No Troll...Has SE Gone Full Regress?!?!

[theunhappypotato]

Braindead grind is a bad game design when it has nothing else to offer. Simple as that. Considering that huge grind are mostly done with bots and 3rd party tools, that explains how "fun" they are.

it has glowy weapons to offer at the end, and most people here make the first relic step out to be the worst thing they ever did even tho if you just do it for like an hour or two each evening (not even in OC) you can have the relic together by the end of the week, its not that hard and the second step is also done pretty fast so i seriously dont know why people complain about it here we finally have a piece of casual content thats not done in 2 hours and thats also wrong

[Kaurhz]

it has glowy weapons to offer at the end, and most people here make the first relic step out to be the worst thing they ever did even tho if you just do it for like an hour or two each evening (not even in OC) you can have the relic together by the end of the week, its not that hard and the second step is also done pretty fast so i seriously dont know why people complain about it here we finally have a piece of casual content thats not done in 2 hours and thats also wrong

IMO, the issue I took with the grind is that RNG-based ones simply are annoying to make measurable goals on.. You either get the thing, or you don't.. By contrast doing things like a Light farm objective-completion oriented ones (e.g., complete dungeons xyz).. It's the presentation of it that matters a lot, IMO.

Also LMAOO... These relics are only marginally better, like marginally marginally... Sure, it's a small step-up from Endwalker, but it's still a massive step down from Bozjan relics which made better use of the one-time steps... Also step 2... You mean roulettes? Which people are doing anyway for their tomes? Yep, great design.

"We finally have..." -- How far have our standards fallen exactly?

[LaylaTsarra]

I'm a relicaholic and I spend no time in Crescent. It's simply not fun. Atma forget it not way I'm running my alts though that over and over again.

[GraceHorizon]

… most people here make the first relic step out to be the worst thing they ever did even tho if you just do it for like an hour or two each evening (not even in OC) you can have the relic together by the end of the week…

I’m going to call this out as not representative of my experience at all. I spent an hour and a half grinding FATEs in Urqopacha and got zero demiatma for my trouble, so I gave up on FATEs and did CEs in Occult Crescent instead. I did an hour or two a day _on top of my other activities like roulettes_ and it took a couple weeks to complete that step. It was far from the worst or grindiest thing I’ve done, but it was more time than I wanted to spend and the RNG was maddening. The process was adjacent to a good design, but it needed to be a bit faster and a lot more predictable.

[Daralii]

I’m going to call this out as not representative of my experience at all. I spent an hour and a half grinding FATEs in Urqopacha and got zero demiatma for my trouble, so I gave up on FATEs and did CEs in Occult Crescent instead. I did an hour or two a day _on top of my other activities like roulettes_ and it took a couple weeks to complete that step. It was far from the worst or grindiest thing I’ve done, but it was more time than I wanted to spend and the RNG was maddening. The process was adjacent to a good design, but it needed to be a bit faster and a lot more predictable.

The drop rates seem to be higher in OC, but the problem with verdigris specifically is how little activity there is in the corner of the map it drops in. 2 FATEs, 1 pot FATE, and Calamity Bound is it.

[Deejudanne]

it has glowy weapons to offer at the end, and most people here make the first relic step out to be the worst thing they ever did even tho if you just do it for like an hour or two each evening (not even in OC) you can have the relic together by the end of the week, its not that hard and the second step is also done pretty fast so i seriously dont know why people complain about it here we finally have a piece of casual content thats not done in 2 hours and thats also wrong

people complaining about grinding in an mmorpg will never not be funny to me