Please add various body shapes and skin options in character creation

[Louhikko]

I will always support more customization but I would be hesitant to expect anything too complicated. At most I would imagine something like a waist, thigh and butt slider, depending on how the gear works but I doubt we would get anything that changes the actual "mass" of the model (like adding fat for example).

Personally though I would much rather prefer face sliders over body ones if I had to choose. They would be easier to implement too since they don't really mess with the gear (aside from maybe glasses,) not that both wouldn't be nice.

[Absurdity]

I will always support more customization but I would be hesitant to expect anything too complicated. At most I would imagine something like a waist, thigh and butt slider, depending on how the gear works but I doubt we would get anything that changes the actual "mass" of the model (like adding fat for example).

Personally though I would much rather prefer face sliders over body ones if I had to choose. They would be easier to implement too since they don't really mess with the gear (aside from maybe glasses,) not that both wouldn't be nice.

Waist, thighs, arms, etc could be possible since those "bones" already exist (the skeleton that models are rigged to for the purpose of animating them) and they could use the system they already have for racial scaling to allow you to adjust those, any butt scaling however is unfortunately rather unlikely.
Because butt "bones" do not currently exist, which would mean adding them to the skeleton and then redoing the rigging for every single piece of leg gear in the entire game to use those bones.

[Daudream]

Based on some of the gear they've added in the last expansion or two, I wouldn't be so sure about that. (I'm all for more customization of course, as long as it does fit)

While what we've gotten (especially optional stuff on the online-store) is more modern street wear than the fantastical tech we're used to it's still stylistically fitting to the game even if the theme is mismatched, though I guess S9 has legitimized it in lore now as much as i don't like it myself. My comment was more that you won't see tramp stamps or body mods or something out of second life be added into the CC, they wouldn't break the style that badly.

I really should have used style in my post rather than aesthetic, to be more clear on my meaning.

[Absurdity]

While what we've gotten (especially optional stuff on the online-store) is more modern street wear than the fantastical tech we're used to it's still stylistically fitting to the game even if the theme is mismatched, though I guess S9 has legitimized it in lore now as much as i don't like it myself.

I find that one rather debatable. Allagan and Garlean outfits, while still comparatively sci-fi have a distinctly XIV style.
The modern street wear we've gotten for a while now is just that, clothes you could find in a real life clothing store right now.

I actually think it severely clashes with the established clothing styles of different cultures we've experienced in the game so far.
Even with the existence of S9 (which really shouldn't exist) a lot of the modern outfits do not fit in with the look of their architecture and technology either.

[Daudream]

Consider it more of a personal opinion of mine, I really could not give less of a rats ass about what implied era of clothes other players wear in this game, that ship sailed years ago. I also rarely feel like an outfit, even among the modern stuff, sticks out in a bad way (when it does it's pretty much always modern stuff but not exclusively) even if the theme is way off from what this world have to offer... until S9 slapped it's ugly dome down and now one could just say it's from there.

I'm not a fan or a defender of the modern street wear flooding this game but at least the clothes looks like it's *from this game*, because my point isn't about fashion style but graphics and artstyle, you could argue that modern clothes breaks the latter but I'll just point to it being my opinion and move on.

the existence of S9 (which really shouldn't exist)

No matter opinions however this here we both agree on wholeheartedly.

Onto the topic of this thread, or more accurate my point on that initial comment, the scary mod beasts that somehow makes adding body sliders bad... it's a non issue, the devs would not make it so logging on looks like a session of VRchat, with hordes of neon characters all "enhanced" with back breaking breasts that look ported from a different game altogether, as that is what one would imagine when they think of the worst of the worst amongst modded characters.

[CidHeiral]

There's a very sizeable portion of the player-base without access to any mods that would love to have more options on their WoL. I'm one of them. More ways to personalize my WoL to be what she's always been in her lore would be fantastic. I'm pretty sure the options they'll add won't allow me to make her chubby, but I'd love if I could. 'cause she's not as thin as the game forces everyone to be.

More variety in body types would be great as long as it's implemented well.

I'll be honest you guys are letting those "mod beasts" live in your minds, they exist and will keep existing regardless on if this is added or not, so why deny vanilla players more creative freedom and access to making their WOL's unique just because of the 0.1% chance the devs will make the CC able to recreate monstrosities?

You would have to be willfully obtuse to deny that the overlap between people asking for body sliders and people modding their characters into engorged abominations is very significant, and those people want any official sliders to be quite large. I have seen the posts requesting as much with my own eyes. Therefore it is not unreasonable for anyone to voice their concern about body sliders being taken to an extreme, especially in an era where the devs are looking to "fulfill as many request as possible" to use Yoship's own words. I am entitled to voice my concerns about the sliders here just as much as you are entitled to voice your support for them.

You will see more variety, you will see more unique looks, you will see a tiny percent less cat girl clones

What you'll actually see is all the usual suspects maxing out all the sliders and continuing to look identical lol. But as I said in the previous post, if they were kept subtle that could theoretically work out. I'm not so sure that would appease most of the people asking for them though.

[Rikizza]

I both support and am scared of changing body types. People will absolutely make meme aberrations that are disgusting to look at if allowed. Within reason? sure...





I would find it superior if we had a color wheel to choose skin tone than the grid pattern we have. I do find it lacking.

Even with hair, sometimes it is so hard to find that exact shade you are looking for.

Meh i would like full sliders to every part of the body, like sims 3. And if people make crazy characters thats just funny to me lol. Why not let people do that they want you know.

[NaoSen]

Face options please, more colour variety for eyes/hair, at least let our eyebrows be different colour to our hair too.

I wouldn't expect body sliders given you'd end up with butts clipping through dress's / coats, warped textures, clipping, the normal character model its not exactly an advanced model and clothing would need to comply too.

Crazy characters would suck, the game has a theme.

[RedLolly]

I think the issue is the FFXIV world has been going through an extremely rapid industrial revolution from the get-go of 1.0 and now we're pushing the 8th expansion and we're well past hard sci-fi between Allag from frame one to Garlemald to the Lopporits to the 9th.

That's not unusual for Final Fantasy as a franchise to have hard sci-fi elements, been a thing since the original in the series with the floating city and Warmech being the first "superboss" of the series, but saying we're sick of streetwear glamours is different from saying you don't like science fiction and I find it really hard to take the latter as an opinion and somehow never catch that it's been part of FFXIV since the beginning.

Anyway.

I just want to give my character body freckles with the same coloring as the few on her face. That's plenty for me.

[Daudream]

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I'm actually not so willfully obtuse, I never made any claim that there was no overlap and I've seen them myself, but there is no way I will believe the 0.1% chance the devs will listen to those voices about how to update the CC will happen.

I am glad to see you are aware of your entitlement to voice your concerns and I am aware of my own, but my comment had nothing to do about silencing concerns, it was about the contents of said concerns and my opinion of them, especially those who is against these options be added to the CC because "modbeasts have shown us the horrors that would unleash", to quote your earlier agreement against sliders in this thread.

However we're clearly not on opposing sides about what we'd not want to see, I just think these worries are overblown and paranoid, just like you believe them reasonable, and hey, if the devs do relent to the engorged masses of abominations' demands then I'll eat my pants or something.