Quote Originally Posted by Brandr View Post
While other jobs are really detached from MSQ and their own job quest, Dark Knight is very heavy on the lore and story section. The whole Heavenward expansion is a huge Dark Knight story. It's whole philosophy is based on the idea of fighting, judging and punishment evil people who will never face justice because they're the ones pulling the strings of society, and what happens in the end? We fight, judge and punish the leadership of Ishgard.

Summarizing, if it were any other job or skill, I'd agree with you, but TBN is so intricically connected to the job quest, I think it's insane to ask for TBN to be acquired earlier.

Maybe a weaker version of TBN would be cool.
understandable that you would like TBN to be kept at 70 because you find it cool and its a part of the lore, I just don't think changing it would takeaway from the story anyway and I think gameplay is more important, sorry if my post came across and obnoxious I just wish it was a eariler skill.

My main concern about TBN being early but weaker is the simple fact that it can be seen as a downgrade if it becomes harder to POP due to MP being tied to TBN unlike other short mits that can be changed around. I don't think dark knight players want the risk factor to be took away, Im personally not bothered eitherway but its a very contentious topic.

Quote Originally Posted by Terhix View Post
Agreed, though I do think it's worth pointing out that Abyssal Drain is also a free bene (especially at lower level with how healing potency scales relative to max HP), just with a 1min cooldown, and DRK gets it at the same level WAR gets RI.



It would have to be a heavily nerfed version of TBN given how weak (non-Holy) Sheltron is compared to TBN.

I do agree SE should have a look at how tanks play at lower levels, but that's a broader problem of just most if not all jobs having really weird progression at low levels. That's really out of the scope of whether DRK is somehow inherently worse than other tanks while leveling - it's not, except for Warrior, but all tanks are just worse than Warrior in dungeons once RI comes online.
Yeah Tanks and other in jobs REALLY need to be looked at lower levels, Im sick of being synched to 50 and having half a job, a big portion of what I liked about the job is just not there.

I think two things need to happen with tanks Warrior's Sustain mostly in AOE needs to be more toned down, we need to considering switching where important skills such as short CD's go and some key rotational aspects Tanks being more inline with each other not inline with current warrior is objectively what should happen, I don't want Holy circle and Confiteor combo to aoe heal me on PLD that would just make tanking insanely boring on PLD.