FIX GARUDA!!!

[Raikki]

new strat; burn garuda so fast that the pillars dont go down and you hit the Once Garuda’s HP falls to a certain percentage she will use Aerial Blast. then just use the extra 2 minutes you have from when 2hr is over to when the clones can wipe pt to burn her down. gg

If you full burn Garuda hard enough to avoid having to fight plumes at all I kind of doubt you'll have enough MP to burn Garuda to 0% without having to kill clones.

[Rydin]

in what universe is that a serious question? this content is designed for level 50s, with level 50 stats and abilities in mind. period.

your logic is so hard to follow my brain just completely shut off.

Were you surprised to find that it was already in the off position? (you know I love ya fusional)

My point is.. burning at the right time or "too hard" can never be an exploit...
Anyone who says "Skipping phases" is an exploit is being silly

You're right... it is "designed" for level 50s... your point is that it doesn't matter at that point, hence it wouldn't be an exploit for a level 99 group to one shot it

well right now it is "designed" so that Aerial Blast is not triggered by HP. It was an unexpected design flaw, to say the least
But the point is.... it's no different

And technically it is is "designed" for a party 45+, which includes level 99, once there is one

BLM is not an exploit... it takes the fun out of the fight, yes, but not really an exploit

[Skies]

Er- Reality of the fact, Rydin, is that the THM burn strategy simply made them aware of an AI error wherein it failed to recognize the dropping HP if it was dropped too fast.
The trigger to activate her Super Move even if she was dropped to 1% in one hit was probably already in place, however, it failed to activate due to a program error related to the speed of damage dealt. They are fixing that AI flaw and that particular move is now not possible to be skipped, if you can still burn her past other phases, that is definitively a viable strategy. The 'exploit' here would not be the heavy burn but the AI bug which caused her to ignore the 'drop everything, execute supermove' trigger, which will be fixed.

They're not moving to fight back this burn strategy, they're not moving to 'nerf' thaumaturges they're not doing anything OTHER than fix a simple issue.

[Rydin]

Er- Reality of the fact, Rydin, is that the THM burn strategy simply made them aware of an AI error wherein it failed to recognize the dropping HP if it was dropped too fast.
The trigger to activate her Super Move even if she was dropped to 1% in one hit was probably already in place, however, it failed to activate due to a program error related to the speed of damage dealt. They are fixing that AI flaw and that particular move is now not possible to be skipped, if you can still burn her past other phases, that is definitively a viable strategy. The 'exploit' here would not be the heavy burn but the AI bug which caused her to ignore the 'drop everything, execute supermove' trigger, which will be fixed.

They're not moving to fight back this burn strategy, they're not moving to 'nerf' thaumaturges they're not doing anything OTHER than fix a simple issue.

I know, It needs to be fixed.. but I don't condemn the people doing it.
My point is when youc all it an exploit, you are calling the people who take advantage of it "Exploiters"
and that carries a very negative connotation.
I definitely prefer the regular way to beat it, but I would never chastise someone for SE's mistake

[Swindler]

If you full burn Garuda hard enough to avoid having to fight plumes at all I kind of doubt you'll have enough MP to burn Garuda to 0% without having to kill clones.

simply depends on what threshold or hp percentage they will use for a forced aerial. A slightly modified approach; have a war over a blm that will then allow you to have another teleport to rest on since the war can pretty much clear the adds with 1 cyclone+a few bard shots.

If the automatic trigger is anything below 35-40% then i still see this fight being a blm burn; where you get it low enough to skip p2 and when the adds come you ignore and burn garuda.(adds take time to pop after ab; and they dont kill group unless you leave them up for too long; garuda will die before that time comes)

[syntaxlies]

simply depends on what threshold or hp percentage they will use for a forced aerial. A slightly modified approach; have a war over a blm that will then allow you to have another teleport to rest on since the war can pretty much clear the adds with 1 cyclone+a few bard shots.

If the automatic trigger is anything below 35-40% then i still see this fight being a blm burn; where you get it low enough to skip p2 and when the adds come you ignore and burn garuda.(adds take time to pop after ab; and they dont kill group unless you leave them up for too long; garuda will die before that time comes)

gotta find out the steel cyclone nerf first.

[fusional]

I know, It needs to be fixed.. but I don't condemn the people doing it.
My point is when youc all it an exploit, you are calling the people who take advantage of it "Exploiters"
and that carries a very negative connotation.
I definitely prefer the regular way to beat it, but I would never chastise someone for SE's mistake

because it is, in fact, an exploit

If the automatic trigger is anything below 35-40% then i still see this fight being a blm burn; where you get it low enough to skip p2 and when the adds come you ignore and burn garuda.(adds take time to pop after ab; and they dont kill group unless you leave them up for too long; garuda will die before that time comes)

and if that ends up being the case, it's irrelevant because at least every group is forced to deal with aerial blast and phase 3- which are clearly intended mechanics in the fight... and which, incidentally, are what's holding back 90% of groups from being able to down garuda without leaning on the blm burn exploit.

[Lux_Rayna]

Were you surprised to find that it was already in the off position? (you know I love ya fusional)

My point is.. burning at the right time or "too hard" can never be an exploit...
Anyone who says "Skipping phases" is an exploit is being silly

You're right... it is "designed" for level 50s... your point is that it doesn't matter at that point, hence it wouldn't be an exploit for a level 99 group to one shot it

well right now it is "designed" so that Aerial Blast is not triggered by HP. It was an unexpected design flaw, to say the least
But the point is.... it's no different

And technically it is is "designed" for a party 45+, which includes level 99, once there is one

BLM is not an exploit... it takes the fun out of the fight, yes, but not really an exploit

Rydin...im sorry but you are starting to be ridiculous. I'm starting to think you have no idea what an "exploit" even is, nor what it even means. Its either that, or you are in such denial that you are ceasing to make sense and comprehend facts. First of all, abusing an unintended design flaw is the definition of an exploit. This means that a BLM burn strategy is an exploit, because it abuses a mechanic that is not supposed to be there. There's just no getting around it, and no rationalization. Yoshi came out and said that it is a bug, and the hp check is not working like it should. Strategically taking advantage of this is what we would call "exploiting". If there was a bug that allowed you to run through walls to the end of the dungeon, and players took advantage of this, wouldnt it be an exploit? You wouldn't disagree, it is most definitely an exploit. BLM burn is no different. There's a bug that allows you to skip aerial blast, BLM tries to take advantage of that. Exploit is an exploit is an exploit.

Sorry for the dose of reality but it is what it is, confirmed by the lead designer himself. How are you even still trying to convince yourself its not an exploit at all?

A lvl 99 pwning a lvl 50 is a mechanic that is *supposed* to be there, so them one-shotting the bosses is not an exploit..obviously. Thats just a stupid example lol.

[Rydin]

Rydin...im sorry but you are starting to be ridiculous. I'm starting to think you have no idea what an "exploit" even is, nor what it even means. Its either that, or you are in such denial that you are ceasing to make sense and comprehend facts. First of all, abusing an unintended design flaw is the definition of an exploit. This means that a BLM burn strategy is an exploit, because it abuses a mechanic that is not supposed to be there.

Yes, but by "abusing" you mean doing exactly what BLMs were designed to do... nuking
I understand what you guys are saying... I just have to play the devil's advocate here

If a stop sign is poorly made, and it falls under it's own weight and cars no longer stop at that particular intersection....
That stop sign (And in turn, that intersection) are no longer working as intended...
Whether you KNOW the stop sign was supposed to be there or not, you are not legally bound to stop at the corner, and therefore cannot be penalized for failing to stop

[fusional]

the fact that the so much of community fights tooth and nail to white knight exploiting/exploiters every major patch is just incredible, and only serves to underscore how our community is comprised primarily of carebears drunk with entitlement, rallying against anything resembling challenge and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.

while part of the blame rests on square's shoulders for not making more of an example of people who choose to exploit even after devs (and yoshi himself) make it clear what they're doing is taking advantage of bugs in game design, at the very least the community should have the fortitude to sack it up and admit it's not cool.

but people instead choose to delusionally defend exploiting, because all they really care about is that they benefit from it. and their primary argument is "well, it doesn't affect you so why do you care?"

99% of anything anyone does on the planet doesn't affect you. so do we just stop convicting criminals of crimes simply because it has no direct impact on us individually? that's retarded.

no, this isn't real life. but just as there are rules in real life, there are rules in games. especially when the game is a sandbox where lots and lots of other people are playing. without rules it's anarchy. if you want anarchy, play single player console games.

bottom line.